Many of you might have noticed a fairly standard rightoid tactic when backed into a corner, confronted with a tough reality is to simply declare "both sides" or something similar, without ever actually presenting those examples. When they do present them almost invariably they are wildly disparate events with no connection to each other.
This might seem like random rightoid coping, but it's actually an engineered response woven into the fabric of American society by conservatives.
The cons understand a few truths dems do not:
A) Americans love the perception of being politically independent.
B) Americans are fricking r-slurred.
"But both sides" serves a few important roles.
it allows idiots to elevate themselves and feel special by creating the illusion of independent thought.
it allows republicans to get away with the
Indefensible because the idiots from 1) will never apply any deep thought to these events.
it removes the need for substantive discussion at all. It allows the poorly informed to engage in performative political discussion in which everything is the exact same, and therefore the consequences of their political ignorance no longer exist.
"But both sides" has been carefully cultivated by conservative politicians. It's the perfect weapon, second only to "voting doesn't matter" which is heavily aided by both siderism.
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Don't both sides do this?
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No, the pizza is right. In my inestimable experience, it's only those on the right who are guilty of this to such a degree that makes any claim of general human frailty inapplicable.
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Rightoids don't do "both sides" they do
"BOY GOLLY IMAGINE IF WE DID THAT? NEVER HEAR THE END OF IT!"
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That's worse lol
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It's one level of deflection up from both-sides-ism. When you can't point out that your side isn't evil like everyone else but still want to pretend you're not in full agreement with it, this is what you do.
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Republicans and democrats are a uniparty. One just has stupider supporters.
Only socialism can save this nation.
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Idk how the uniparty claim stands up to any scrutiny unless you think sacred values do not exist and economics is the primary mover of history.
It can be and is in many cases, but fascism proved it doesn't have to be.
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Fascism was about economics. It was the preservations of capital against the rise of socialist parties.
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Genuinely delusional lol. Fascism didn't have any coherent economic thought process.
Even marxist economists dropped the claim you're making circa thd 1960s.
True - fascism was a right wing response to socialism, but more so in the frame of socially conservative preservation in the case of Germany extreme biological racism.
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Germany had a lot of non-fascist conservative landowners who gradually backed Hitler as he rose in prominence. The 'junkers'.
There was an element of nationalism and social conservatism to it, but the junkers mainly wanted to protect their holdings.
Fascism in general is class collaborationist, which means lolberts accuse it of socialism and socialists accuse it of non-socialism.
This is where the raging leftcom crit of social democracy being 'fascist' comes from, because it tries to tie together the class conflict of capitalism rather than resolve it.
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I have never seen a fascist regime where economics was placed ahead of oppressing whatever group they are obsessed with oppressing.
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Pinochet. Salazar. Franco after 1950.
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do you add your comment signature manually every time?
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Uh huh. And what was the economic system they were defending? What did they think about socialists?
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Again, Mussolini was one. Hitler led a party that claimed to be socialist and was recruiting from the same pool of wingcucks.
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Hitler always rallied against marxists and had the strasserists shot in 1934.
Mussolini dropped socialism completely by 1919.
This is lolbert nonsense. You're better than this, man.
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You really want to claim that soc dems are socialists? They don't even call themselves socialists. Or do you really think Hitler was a commie?
I will admit to have been baited.
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Look at the actual economic policies and you're not going to see that much difference between Germany and Italy and America at that time. The rightoids were completely opportunistic back then as they are now under Trump, whose vague ramblings could be called socialist sometimes.
You Marxists want everything to be about economics. It's not. Hitler didn't have some secret master plan to make industrialists rich. Everything was driven by his personal issues like hating Jews and being butthurt about WW1.
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Exactly. They were all capitalists. And the fascists came about when Capital was threatened.
Thanks for completely refuting your earlier statements that fascists were socialists btw.
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Bread lines and famine lol
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Yup.
Breadlines
Famine
!commies
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You absolute fricking r-slur. I've known Okies who came out of the Dust Bowl and I've known people who lived under communism. The first group tells me about how hard it was but there were some good times. The second group refuses to say anything except that they're glad they escaped to become poor in America.
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t. Chud that thinks hitler was a marxist.
R-slurred.
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Seriouspost: Just openly victim-blaming genocide survivors is on a different level than having a discussion about economic policies. This is /pol or Stormfront level and I can't deal with you anymore.
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Too many cars to be in Marxist economy. Anyways standing in breadlines was a daily thing Marxist economy even good and bad times
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Food stamps is a form of breadline you know.
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No? Lol
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Mussolini was a socialist and only broke with the other socialists over entering WW1. If your definition of fascism doesn't include the actual Fascist Party you may be straining to the point where you're gonna tear ligaments.
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The mussolini of 1917 and the mussolini of 1922 had very different beliefs.
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Sacred values do exist but neither political party in the US is primarily motivated by them or even just as an afterthought. Yes I'm doing a bothsideserism rn frick you.
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I would say this changed in the 90s and both parties are increasingly motivated by a set of fundamental sacred values that are above reasonable debate. Similar to the civil war era.
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"both sides"
-pizzashill, 2023
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What folx think are βsacred values' are less separate from economic/technological/societal conditions than they'd like to admit. Not wholly of course, but much more than people commonly believe.
It's similar to the problem of consciousness; people will ascribe religious significance to their mind following their body around, to avoid the far more realistic truth.
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I dont think its more realistic to assume that your mind comes from your body at all
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are you r-slurred
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It's a materialist position to make that assumption. Reality works inside-out not the other way around
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Then why do drugs and lobotomies make people r-slurred
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This is awfully r-slurred, even for you pizza. Economics IS the primary mover of history (read about historical materialism, you uneducated bozo). Fascism is Capitalism in crisis and the ensuing effort by the ruling elites to kneecap any and all worker rights and movements as to consolidate their power and wealth. Fascism is all about economics. It's a reaction to Capitalism in disarray.
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Calling fascism "capitalism" is something poorly educated leftists do, not reality.
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why aren't you doing it, then? you clearly don't have any significant education if you're flipping expired tampons and picking fights with coke employees
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I mean I have an education on this topic lol. Also I'm a district level manager, I make more doing this than I possibly could with a history degree.
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Read Marx's 'The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon' and 'Capital' then read some Lenin, specifically 'Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism'. If you haven't, by the end of it, come to an understanding of what Fascism really and truly boils down to and how it arises, then you can always read some of Trotsky's works on fascism like 'Bonapartism and Fascism'.
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I think leftists just have a serious misunderstanding of fascism.
Read paxton or evens, they have some good entry level reading about fascism and the origins of fascism.
Fascism is too incoherent to really have any solid economic worldview, economics in the fascist context is more so about rallying support using economic esque arguments.
Fascism is not understood well by most people, especially leftists because it's so fluid and each fascist movement has their own platform and recipe for national revival.
I can look at commies and see they have some foundational intellectual basis and framework for the leftist worldview.
Fascism doesnt and never had that, it's more primal - instinct driven, has no concern for being "right."
It's more aesthetics. Industry is willing to go along for the ride to a point, but as german industry learned the hard way, it was about ideology and nothing else.
Stalin miscalculated fascism in a similar way - the idea they were simply tools of capitlism he could buy off and delay.
But that was never the case, they viewed the war as one of racial survival, a darwinian conflict. Not an economic conflict.
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The ideological dressing and cultural aspects of Fascism may be incoherent but the material aspect is not. The Nazis primary goal was to rebuild Germany to its old greatness, back to a great power after the country had been humiliated following WWI. Its revanchism and imperial ambitions were grounded on the idea that Germany needed more land and resources to dominate Europe. The racial aspect of Nazi ideology was simply rabid bourgeois nationalism taken to its extreme, a tool employed by the ruling elites to create a scapegoat, an enemy and outside threat. Still, at the base of it all lied the material, the economic aspect.
Capitalism in Germany was in complete disarray during the Weimar period and when the Great Depression hit, it was in absolute crisis. That's why the Nazis even managed to get to power in the first place. This all bears having in mind the revolution in Russia and the failed Socialist revolution in Germany and how it influenced the German bourgeoisie. The Nazi takeover was facilitated by the ruling elites who wanted Capitalism to be stabilized and brought to its former strength while suppressing any and all communist sentiment. The Nazis very much campaigned on helping small and big companies, investors, businessmen, farmers etc. recover their lost wealth and power. They even promised to recover the lost colonies. Basically, the Nazi mission was to rescue German Capitalism from its death bed while suppressing or killing communist sentiment, leftist parties/movements and workers rights. It worked. The German bourgeoisie recovered and re-established itself over the proletariat again.
Italy's fascism had a different dressing but it was still, at its base, one grounded on invigorating the Italian economy and was characterized, again, by bourgeois society supporting the corporatism of Mussolini and the rabid anti-Socialism and crack down on worker's rights. The same dynamic was seen in Fascist Portugal, Spain, Argentina, Chile and Greece.
Fascism is, and will always be, a reaction to Capitalism in crisis. It's a desperate attempt by the ruling elites and the borgeouis adjacent to protect their wealth and retain control and power over the masses.
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Some people are able to display their intelligence by going on at length on a subject and never actually saying anything. This ability is most common in trades such as politics, public relations, and law. You have impressed me by being able to best them all, while still coming off as an absolute idiot.
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Economics literally is the mover of history tho. Literally every single fascist or communist uprising takes advantage of poor r-slurs as well as sociopathic elites especially in fascisms case
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this was the actual working theory from 198?-2016 but it stopped being valid once one party entered into fascism
I liked, to some extent, a c c e l e r a t i o n i s t R votes in 2016 but as time goes on now I'm just like... eh now we have two problems, a uniparty, and a fascist threat
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Oh definitely like someone like MTG is not someone planted by the elites to further an agenda. Shes a homegrown r-slur, doesnt make it any better when you have henry kissinger paraded onstage in front of a transpride flag lol
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You mean when we ask you about holding a standard?
But you were in that thread and you ignore them as usual. Did you make a new thread so nobody can see your shame?
Why didn't you reply to me when I asked where, pizza-alt??
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got receipts?
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Tail end of it
https://rdrama.net/post/197478/nothing-to-see-here-folks/4817402#context
Where is the rightoid rage bubble pizza is talking about? Is it the snoring hamster or the AoE2 unit analysis video?
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I dont know why rightoids give a shit about hunter but that thread reminds me that Biden is trying to get Saudi Arabia and Israel to work together and literally no one cares because it's not a traditional culture war topic
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Where did I mention Hunter in the thread?
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Its in the thread u linked
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Post it. Find a comment by me that mentioned hunter in that thread.
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Too lazy tbh so ill just concede u and say never mentioned him without checking again
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For once I agree with you (that the Biden's are corrupt pieces of shit) and you still can't get a W over pizza. For frick's sake. How difficult can it be to catch a weasel?
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This is a W, you're just such a bad troll man like work on your bait it's pathetic
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You literally can't show yourself to be right against pizza on a topic you're actually right about.
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Because I'm not focused on being right on the topic. I'm always right. That's not news. Maybe that's exciting for you since you never get a W but I'm more interested in highlighting and having pizza admit his own hypocrisy. That's more fun.
See, I focus on fun and being entertaining while punching down. You're thinking too small in being just a wingcuck troll. It's boring.
Do better.
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If Pizzashill won he wouldn't need a cope thread about "bothsidisms" when I never brought up both sides.
There there pizzapeepee sucker.
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idk man the summary threads on rightoids in their rage bubble when the boomer bumble president got indicted sure are good reading lmao
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Except thats only on patriot.win. Which no rightoid here subscribes to.
This is some bottom of the barrel scraping you guys are doing
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People like you are why I donate to republicans
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Keep going king. They can't stop seething because you tell the truth.
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People seething about a 2 party system have no right to complain when their dumbass logic is already pre-cucked to a 2 party system and no thinking past 1 degree of logic
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this was the problem back in OWS too though.
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Every time I point out that Dems have little enthusiasm for their own candidates and instead run on βRepublicans badβ 24/7, your response is always : Yes, we aren't a cult chud
Let's turn that around. Conservatives aren't in a cult and can realize the fallibility of government and politicians
Plus isn't it funny how leftoids are always the ones complaining about centrism and both-siderism, yet the Democrats usually win higher share of moderate voters? Maybe it's because some liberals don't want to identify as that, but more likely it's exhibit #300000 of why it's so useful to have the media/colleges/etc in your back pocket. The side whose base constantly complains about moderates still wins most of them anyway
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leftoids aren't the majority of Dems. Normie Dems are neighbours who want welfare but otherwise dgaf about gay
s or climate change.
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Eh, this was true in 2000 but it isn't true today. Most of the Dems who fit that description are voting for Rs now. Dem voters today (especially the white ones) are fully on-board with social liberalism publicly even if they may have reservations in private. The DNC has also focused on college-educated voters (hence its advantage with moderates) and turning out minorities in huge numbers.
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Holy shit, just say you hate your rightoid parents and go
Not sure id I agree with that given the how much intense all the culture war nonsense is in burgerland
I definitely agree with that
As opposed to you, who's definitely not reading a billion shitlib rags everyday to feel superior to a rightoid for knowing more factoids
You're right, pizza. Mass democracy is a mistake.
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Still better than "It's ok when we do it because we are righteous angels and you are godless heathens awaiting for God to smite you"
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No it isn't because the side that's doing that wins automatically.
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You couldn't even bother to present examples
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Or maybe people dont want to vote for their tax money to go to droning children in the middle east just because u think peeepee fartuglicans are r-slurred?
It literally doesnt except in like what, four states? It's amazing how feckless your system is when your centrist party can get more votes than the fascist party and still end up with an equal amount of power. Then your centrist party can just throw its hands up and go βoh well!β and then collaborate with that fascist party
There are literally bigger prison sentences for carjackings in DC than there have been for the jan six r-slurs. One got five years. In DC the highest a carjacker has gotten in jail is twelve, to a max of 40 because Biden vetoed an attempt at a reform down to a βmereβ 20 in order to lick the butt of republicans and prove he's rough on crime
You can shit on rightoids all you want for making a false equivalence between fascism and centrism, but to act as it your acting of going into a voting booth is actively doing anything to curb that while your president practically gurgles the c*m of the fascist party in public in order to get a semblance of progress - despite being the most power man on earth - then you're an idiot
Even from the perspective of stopping republicans you voting for democrats has done nothing. They are literally above the law thanks to SCOTUS, and even when you vote a dem in they pull a fast one and become anti-abortion, anti-minimum wage βcentristsβ after the election. Like Marie Perez for example
Until there stops being two parties for billionaires and nicer billionaires who are happy with paying a million dollars in taxes in exchange for ten million in tax cuts and federal money your country is fricked. Enjoy your lead drinking water in your abandoned cities with sky high rent, or your untamed trailer parks ruled by an oligarchy of fentanyl-addicted black-executing boomers
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literally seething
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Tru
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eh but the votes in 2020 stopped the fascist and now the government is imprisoning the center of the fascist movement. because the fascist movement is limited only to a select subset of the republican party there is still a maneuver for the republicans to perform to clean house.
Pence will testify and then become the frontrunner of the Republican party, where he will probably lose but will at least set the party up for a 2028 reset.
I wish I could believe that we would rid ourselves of these two parties. It's a long shot but it's possible only in that dreamy imagination...
oh you're not even from here? opinion disregarded. like the US is fricked in a lot of ways but it's also still got a ridiculously strong hand, geopolitically speaking.
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Youre right on all accounts but at the same time youre doing all this in order to then have a stronger uniparty to crush unions, get into wars and kill immigrants and the homeless. So a clean house will be better but it still wont be good. America's pretty much done, tho i could just be wishful thinking because i often flirt with radical politics because i hate the american government for various reasons but mostly ive always disliked bombing brown people and also americans have ruined my country's culture by importing their stupid βold wacky man who wants to execute browns versus screeching sjwβ politics here
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yeah that's the perilous part of being at the pinnacle of power, our culture just becomes world culture whether or not that's a good thing. certainly the notion that Barbie will have an entry in history textbooks as an example of US cultural influence on China is deeply fascinating.
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people would have less of an issue with US hegemony if their pop culture wasn't so fricking sloppy and r-slurred.
I'm sure normie Romans were dumb in ways that weren't reflected in records, but they still had a tonne of achievements in literature, art, architecture etc. America has sucked in this regard for probably more than 50 years.
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I root for China to win and nuke the USA so that they can rewrite history post-the release of hot fuzz on DVD to be less shit
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It's not right vs left, it's establishment vs anti establishment. It's how if our elections were legitimate I would be a rfk jr bro
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Everyone is wrong and stupid except people I agree with
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This but unironically
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This expression indicates a rightoids confusion and lack of understanding. When confronted with something he cannot understand or respond to, rightoids mumble βmuh both sidesβ or βmuh wut about mufuggaβ. This is usually followed by false statistics and references to historically famine stricken regions that stopped getting famines in the 20th century.
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As a radical centrist I'm spicy on both sides
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