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EFFORTPOST The life and death of xoxohth, the most prestigious law school discussion board in the world.

You might have heard of xoxohth, aka AutoAdmit, a couple of years ago when it cropped up in the news after a writer for Tucker Carlson was forced to resign after someone doxxed his posts on the site, which included bangers such as replying to a 2 year old thread titled “Would u let a JET BLACK congo n****er do lasik eye surgery on u for 50% off?” with the thought provoking answer, "I wouldn't get LASIK from an Asian for free, so no." As CNN graciously explains in their article: "The subject line was not censored on the forum."

But what, you may ask, is xoxohth? Well, to get the answer to that, we need to go way, way back, to a week in March of 2004, when, while listening to Green Day on his Motorola Razr and buying tickets to Harold and Kumar go to White Castle, a 19 year old member of the Princeton Review test prep forum named Jared "rachmiel" Cohen, got together with an MIT student, alias Boondocks, and a UPenn Law student named Anthony Ciolli to start https://xoxohth.com, a simple PHP-based forum for law students. Xoxo experienced rapid growth, and quickly became one of the more popular forums for law students on the internet, fueled in part by its pseudo-anonymous posting and lax moderating standards.

Like many online-communities, AutoAdmit over time developed its own vocabulary (some of which can still be found sometimes on current law school forums, such as https://Top-Law-Schools.com). The slang had the added benefit of making xoxo borderline unreadable to someone out of the loop. Fear not, dear reader, for I shall loop you in:

  • 180 - A perfect score on the LSAT and used by users much in the same as "based" is today.

  • CR - "Credited/Correct Response" - Self explanatory.

  • Ding - Being rejected.

  • TTT - "Third Tier Potty" - The bottom ranking group law schools on USNWR, which is the definitive ranking of law schools. Means something that is bad.

  • WGWAG" - "White Guys with Asian Girls"

  • NOWAG - "No One with Asian Guys"

  • reptiles - Conservatives

  • shitlibs - Liberals

  • pumos - after creating an account, you could change your monikor at will, and many users who didn't want a post associated with their other posts would change to it a random collections of punctuation marks (i.e. .,./,./.,/.,/.,/,/.,). Such users were pumos (punctuation marks).

  • shitlaw - Any area of law outside of BigLaw (and possibly government).

  • Poasting - Participating on the site.

A more complete (but non-exhaustive) list can be found on the EncylopediaDramatica entry on xoxo.

Now, you might be thinking to yourself, "but these are law students, right? Productive members of society (:marseysmirk2:), who shall soon be respected professionals. These forums must surely be be full of interesting, intellectual discussion, advice on how to get into law school, how to do well, maybe how to find jobs, right?" And in a way it was all those things. But, my dear reader, you mustn't forget that in those days the internet had not yet acquired the feminine touch for which it is so known today. Xoxo was, like anything, a product of its time, as evidenced by a random sampling of some posts between 2004-2006:

But, you see, unlike a peer website such as 4chan, where the fingers behind the screen belong to an unemployed IT admin living in his parents basement, users behind posts such as the below masterpiece are written by a 22 year old, who, more likely than not, will be wearing a suit and making $200,000 within 2 or 3 years:

https://i.imgur.com/pa7mCTC.png

And so, a strange dynamic was formed, where this anonymous shitposting that could rival even the most debased /pol/ posting was read by a large enough portion of the already tightly knit law community that it lead, for example, to a Harvard Law grad not being able to find a law firm job after becoming a meme on the site because somebody posted about her without her knoweldge. Another strange part of this dynamic is that today, there is a good number of law firm partners, making millions or tens of millions of dollars a year, who started their career 2 decades ago with posts such as Autodinging chicks who've dated/fricked a black...racist? And, also, one must not forget that all of these posts were sandwiched between posts actually related to law school, such as advice on which school to choose and name the best cities to begin a career in.

As xoxo became more popular, it did not go unnoticed by the larger legal community. As one can imagine, such a community is prone to :marseylongpost: posting and the forum slowly made its way into the Real World™. Articles such as Pestilence, War, Famine, Death…and Unemployment?: An Analysis of the Internet Message Boards' Impact on Law Firm Recruitment, Why are Message Boards So Mean, and Oh My God, You Guys, Lawyers Are Actually Totally Mean! started cropping up all over the place. This marked the beginning of the end for good old xoxo.

Things boiled over in 2007. As taken from wiki (because I'm lazy):

On 12 June 2007, two Yale Law School students filed a lawsuit against Anthony Ciolli and a number of AutoAdmit's anonymous posters, claiming their "character, intelligence, appearance, and sexual lives have been thoroughly trashed by the defendants". Filed in the District Court of Connecticut, the case, Doe v. Ciolli, 307CV00909 CFD, cited violation of privacy, defamation, infliction of undue emotional distress, and copyright infringement against Ciolli and several anonymous posters. The two plaintiffs were represented pro bono by the litigation boutique Keker & Van Nest LLP, David N. Rosen, a Yale Law School professor, and Mark Lemley, a professor at Stanford Law School who specializes in computer and internet law. It was said at the time that while AutoAdmit's reported lack of IP logging might prevent the plaintiffs from learning the defendants' true identities, the case could prove significant within computer and internet law if it came to trial. The plaintiffs subsequently dropped Ciolli's name from the list of defendants, and successfully obtained Doe subpoenas of Internet service providers (ISPs) in hopes of identifying the anonymous defendants. As of August 2008 the attorneys had discovered the names of some, but not all, of the offending posters.

The lawsuit exposed the site to a level of fame it had not previously had, and it became an archetype of the "bad internet," going so far as being mentioned in the same sentence as /b/ by the Newspaper of Record. With the fame came real life consequences for those caught associating with the site and Anthony Ciolli, one of the co-founders gets his job offer rescined and quits the forum.

Still, the forum remained popular. So popular, in fact, that a WSJ article about the law suit started with "For all you AutoAdmit junkies..." And, because this was the in prehistoric times, when we weren't all as civilized as we are now, the forum even had its share of high-profile defenders, who exalted the (now widely understood to be evil) notion of free speech. The Dean of Penn Law, for example, posted a letter on the site stating that, "while debates should be encouraged, 'we all have a moral and professional obligation to engage in that debate in a responsible manner.'" Imagine that.

But still, death comes for us all, and, with time, the infamy and controversy caused students to move away from xoxo to greener pastures. And yet, the site still exists, now full of a few remaining original users, now in their 40s, who mostly posts such things as "Which escort with HUGE TITS should I frick in VEGAS" (not a shitpost btw, reviews of hookers have become a staple on nu-xoxo.) And, after the Tucker fiasco, rachmiel, who still manages the site, randomized all monikers, making reading the site even harder than it already was. On top of this, signing up for the site still requires putting in a law firm or law school username, which no one in their right mind would do. And so, it persists as a zombie version of itself, with a few sad lawyers (or, mostly, ex-lawyers), boomer posting about Trump and giving tips on how to cheat on your wife.

There is much more to say on the topic, and perhaps if this gains traction I will make a Part 2 talking about some of the better posts on the site and some of its more interesting characters. But, for the moment, I had a sudden flash of clarity and realized I have just spent over an hour writing a summary of a 20 year old shitposting forum for https://rDrama.net, and will now go reflect deeply on the choices that have brought me here.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030602705.html

Reading this one was :marseymindblown: Seeing a college say "sorry he has free speech we can't do anything" feels like a different century

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I am an AutoAdmit poster but not a lawyer. I feel like there is an important piece of information that you guys should know regarding this incident:

The comment by CharlesXII about LASIK surgery was not him saying he didn't trust Asian doctors to do it correctly because he's racist against Asians. It's a meme on the forum that LASIK surgery actually has a relatively high risk of permanently fricking up your eyes and doctors don't adequately warn patients about this because they are some combination of dumbasses and con artists. He mentioned Asians because he thinks Asians are the best doctors but he still doesn't trust them to do LASIK surgery because LASIK surgery is dangerous and has somehow slipped through the cracks of government regulation.

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I'm getting LASIK in few weeks. Redpill me :marseysweating:

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I got LASIK and turned out normal :marseyregular: :marseyflushzoom2:

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:!#derpynoosepat:

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You'll never :marseyitsover: be able to climb a real mountain :marseylion: or go skydiving without your eye falling :marseychartdowntrend2: apart. Even without that, you're weakening your eyes and making yourself :marseykys: more likely to go blind.

If you get a black :marseyetika: surgeon :marseytransmerchant: rather than an Asian :marseyrabbitnewyear: or a Jew, they could frick it up and flat out blind :marseyeyebleach: you with no chance of recovery. This is why they only do one eye at a time.

There's a safer surgery :marseylobotomy: which doesn't weaken your eyes, bit the recovery :marseyitsoverwerebackchingchon: time is about 6 months, during which time you will be blind.

Just get contacts. Those have no chance of ruining your life or final-destinationing you

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Not too worried about skydiving or mountains, and definitely not going to see a black surgeon :marseycringe2:

Should clarify, I'm not entirely sure whether I'm going to get LASIK specifically, or SMILE. SMILE seems like the better option based on reading and my understanding of the procedure, and that's the one I hope to get. Apparently the correction and exact eye measurements determine which one is best, and that's figured out a few days prior. Are you familiar with that, and what's your take on it?

There's a safer surgery :marseylobotomy: which doesn't weaken your eyes, bit the recovery :marseyitsoverwerebackchingchon: time is about 6 months, during which time you will be blind.

PRK? That's the one I originally wanted going in, but according to the doctor I'm better suited to the others, since I have particularly thick corneas. I'm in a spot right now where the extended recovery wouldn't be a huge deal. At this doctor in particular, all three operations are the same, though PRK is typically the cheapest option, thus there's no monetary reason for him to have suggested the others.

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What about LASEK?

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:marseyeyemixer2:

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:#derpynoose:

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obviously, how else could you read that?

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Asians have tiny squint eyes :marseyimpossibru: so their aim is bad or something along those lines

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but that doesn't make sense in the context of his statement because his comparison would be nonsense

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:marseyshrug: all racism is nonsense except towards gypsies

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Factcheck: You really believe that shit? Lmao dumbass neighbor 🤣

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Something tells me that the problem with his post isn't that people thought it was racist against asians…

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Also, he said, the Internet allows those who feel slandered to put forth their own point of view. "The cure to bad speech is more speech," he said.

:#marseydepressed: how far we have fallen...

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You are LITERALLY living in my walls :marseyschizotwitch: I was just thinking about AutoAdmit, since the Tucker Carlson writer thing came up it's baffled me that a web 1.0 lawyer shitposting board existed in the underbelly of the web and I've wondered what other primo content has escaped my notice.

CharlesXII seemed like a top tier poster. He had a great review of :marseysoylentgrin: magnum opus Ready Player One. It was always striking that you could never actually find his post history in all the articles reporting on his crimes. For one thing they reported on the gorilla BIPOC thread as if he posted it, not just replied a little quip to it, but I guess if a responsible citizen saw a thread online with the n word in it they would immediately close their computer and call the police.

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You are LITERALLY living in my walls

yeah

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1709446136600982.webp

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I wish my profession had a 4chan like board to post on. Reminds me of econjobrumors where respectable researchers talk shit about each other

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oh shit I just read this whole post conflating the two forums :marseybrainlet:

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!r-slurs one of us

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There is a lot of XO/EJR crossover. Unfortunately the best softwarecels get is Blind

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Unfortunately the best softwarecels get is Blind

:#marseytunaktunak: :#marseytunaktunak: :#marseytunaktunak:

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Same but most tradies are unironically illiterate

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@XY https://i.rdrama.net/images/1709441641193347.webp

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!chuds !BIPOCs wtf 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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lmao remember i was talking about chicken rice in NYC? coincidentally the news channel here just published a video about it

not really goyslop but !goyslopenjoyers anyway

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New York b& BIPOCbun

It's nigover :#marseyitsover:

Can mayos just go two seconds without being racist?!

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lmao they banned the charcoal buns? :marseylaugh: new yorkers cant make fun of our chewing gum bans anymore

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Yeah

I knew they banned activated charcoal

Didn't know that that's why Singaporean buns went from Hotep to Sasanka_of_G colored

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lol most of our buns are the normal ones and the charcoal ones are quite a gimmick

i felt like crap after having a charcoal bun burger from the place featured in the video

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17094493397356281.webp

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I tried to suck on a black peepee charcoal block to see if I magically got undrunk after drinking about 300ml of rye whiskey lmao

This was when I was 19 and at sea so I just threw up my entire stomach like 30 seconds later

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This actually looks pretty good I'm gonna check it out.

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yeah the chicken actually looks pretty good :marseylickinglips:

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Lol obviously its a joke story but he cant be calling anyone monkey when he's the one flinging shit around

Palestinian lives matter

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:marseyclapping:

I want more old internet stories

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I thought all the crazy shit was just refugees from My Posting Career taking over some dead law message board.

The truth is somehow funnier. :spit:

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Lol they adopted it, there was a lot of 180 888 TITCR NOWAG shitlib TT slang thrown around :marseyxd:

There was a lawyer foid named Gwerks who was a prominent personality there until she tried to dox some users and got banned too :marseywomanmoment2:

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Now, you might be thinking to yourself, "but these are law students, right? Productive members of society (:marseysmirk2:)

They're not. Law is all fake and made up by humans. It's not a real science. Universities weren't meant to train bureaucrats. :marseyindignant:

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Actually :marseynerd3: the oldest universities were created to study law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Bologna#History.

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universities were meant to keep the idle children of the wealthy occupied and out of the house until you could ship them off to war or you died and they got your inheritance

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old internet communities really hit different

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WGWAG" - "White Guys with Asian Girls"

NOWAG - "No One with Asian Guys"

:marseyxd:

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its confusing cause guys and girls starts with the same letter, so the acronyms are interchangeable.

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I want more this was great

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Email me, brother.

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No u

Snapshots:

graciously explains in their article:

https://xoxohth.com:

https://Top-Law-Schools.com:

EncylopediaDramatica entry on xoxo:

Got a F in class:

Rank the Asian Herarchy:

Lehigh University has some hot bitches:

https://i.imgur.com/pa7mCTC.png:

Harvard Law grad not being able to find a law firm job after becoming a meme on the site because somebody posted about her without her knoweldge.:

Autodinging chicks who've dated/fricked a black...racist?:

advice on which school to choose:

name the best cities to begin a career in:

Pestilence, War, Famine, Death…and Unemployment?: An Analysis of the Internet Message Boards' Impact on Law Firm Recruitment:

Why are Message Boards So Mean:

Oh My God, You Guys, Lawyers Are Actually Totally Mean!:

mentioned in the same sentence as /b/:

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