You can view the previous post on knitting drama here: https://rdrama.net/post/252397
Did you really think Knitting Drama didn't extend into the social science journals?
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14759756.2022.2102725
There is a body of research that identifies the social benefits that exist from participating in knitting and crochet as a leisure pursuit in collaboration with others. In this article, we draw on the concept of knitting hierarchies to interrogate the concept of craft groups as being welcoming, inclusive spaces. Drawing on a survey conducted with 243 Australian women we explore the dynamics and hierarchies that exist by contrasting experiences of community and belonging with those of gossip, judgment, and exclusion.
The authors acknowledge the valuable input at the research design stage of the Women's Crafting study from Elizabeth Edmondson and Amy Walker from Federation University Australia. This work was supported by a Federation University Australia cross-school research grant.
!strayans taxes paid for this
Let's start with my most hated shitlib magazine Vox
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/2/25/18234950/knitting-racism-instagram-stories
Karen Templer's Fringe Association Co. is kind of like Goop for knitting. There are tips and how-tos for navigating knitting's trickier maneuvers. There are knit-alongs for chunky cowls and cute fingerless gloves. There's an online store that sells the Fringe bag, which has come to be known in some circles as the Birkin of knitting bags. And there's the blog where Templer puts her personal thoughts.
On January 7, she blogged excitedly about her upcoming trip to India. She wrote that 2019 would be her “year of color.” She said that as a child, India had fascinated her, and that when an Indian friend's parents offered to take her with them on a trip, it was “like being offered a seat on a flight to Mars.” She spoke of her trip as if it were the biggest hurdle anyone could jump: “If I can go to India, I can do anything — I'm pretty sure.”
Templer, it should be noted, is white.
As someone who is mixed-race Indian,
griftmaxxing queen let's hear her roar
to me, her post (though seemingly well-meaning) was like bingo for every conversation a white person has ever had with me
!nooticers why do 2nd gen immigrants pretend that every time someone takes an interest in their lives or background ITS ACTUALLY
about their “fascination” with my dad's home country;
it was just so colorful and complex and inspiring. It's not that they were wrong, per se,
They're not wrong BUT THEY ARE TONE DEAF
just that the tone felt like they thought India only existed to be all those things for them.
What does India exist for? Anytime I see them on the news, and by news I mean schizos I follow on twitter, it seems like India is only known for one thing....
The initial comments on Templer's blog post were supportive, but quickly, knitters and fans began to criticize her tone. “Karen, I'd ask you to re-read what you wrote
Honestly a very Karen thing to say
and think about how your words feed into a colonial/imperialist mindset toward India and other non-Western countries,” wrote commenter Alex.
“Multiple times you compare the idea of going to India to the idea of going to another planet — how do you think a person from India would feel to hear that?”
Here's what would happen if she phrased it differently
I hope you enjoyed my
Templer has since apologized for her post, writing, “It took women of color pointing this out for me to see it ... which is not their responsibility, and I am thankful to them for taking the time,” and that she'd be continuing to raise visibility of people of color (and specifically black/indigenous POC) knitters and their work. (Templer declined to comment for this piece.)
For people who actually read (not, not you !r-slurs) the link was included in the previous post but here it is for posterity's sake: https://fringeassociation.com/2019/01/12/words-matter/
But her post triggered a wave of conversations about racism and prejudice in the fiber arts world, which thus far shows no signs of slowing down.
Her post triggered a bunch of progressive white women who live in terror everyday of committing a heckin racism and so will do everything in their power to force inclusivity so they don't end up being ostracized like Karen Templar. This is what oversocialization looks like scrotes
How the conversation started. Odds are if you're in your 20s or 30s,
40s as well, amirite @InterGONEvention ?
you have at least one friend who's gotten really into knitting in the past few years. The ancient craft never went away,
Of course it hasn't, people knit world wide because not everyone lives in a bubble of first world problems
but relatively recently, aided by its high Instagrammability, a heightened appreciation of DIY, and everyone's desperate need to keep their hands busy in an anxiety-inducing world,
Describing the world as anxiety-inducing is a self-fulfilling prophecy
it became more within the purview of urbane people who know how to flex online.
Here it is, it's become a hobby for yuppies to brag about online.
I'm going to stop here because I hate VOX like no other but there's plenty more white guilt plastered all over that article.
Untangling the knotty social dynamics of online knitting communities
But as tangled as their fingers are in the fibres of the real world, knitters, like most people, use social media. To understand some of the ways social media teaches us to behave, the knitting community – grounded in the physical world, but still online – is a way in. Specific aspects of knitting require attention: the controversies the community is reckoning with, to do with vaccines and allegations of racism, and the ways that individuals are invested in maintaining relationships after the fallout to these events.
and ???
When Renee Paku started learning to knit, she wasn't thinking about social media: she just needed something to keep her hands busy. She was a single, pregnant mother with a seven-month-old baby. She'd left a life in Australia and moved back to Aotearoa to be closer to her whānau.
This Maori woman is whiter than me lmao
Knitting captivated her. “It was the start of a beautiful thing
It is a very beautiful thing, and I think it's wonderful that mothers knit for their future children
and the end of the world as I knew it,” she says.
Uh oh, this might become melodramatic
When her family members started complaining that her Instagram had too many pictures of luscious knitted sweaters and zig-zagging hats and not enough of her children,
As her family should, her children are adorable and I'm sure her family is very proud of them
I hate identify politics so much, HOW COULD OCCUPY WALLST DO THIS TO US????
“There are some amazing people in our [knitting] community,” she tells me. But this is not universally true. “That space can get real racist real fast.”
I still can't get over how white she is. Thank goodness you can't be racist against white people.
While there are big-scale issues in the knitting community that Paku is referring to, it's useful to explain two of the most divisive recent moments in Aotearoa's knitting universe. The first of these involves Maree Buscke, a shareholder of Skeinz, one of New Zealand's only two wool mills that produce consumer-grade yarn (as opposed to, say, wool for carpets).
Weird, I thought New Zealand was known for wool, I'm surprised there's only two mills. Aren't there like 5 big brands for wool socks in New Zealand alone? Kiwis explain yourself
wtf is a Golliwog
uhhhh
The Dutch were the real racists all along
Unrelated but this was in the article
Good to see NZ having their own BLM rallies almost entirely populated by overweight white women
But my personal favorite
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122286583/the-golliwog-in-the-room
(Left-right) Angela Ramsay, 56, and daughter Michelle Ramsay, 23, agree to disagree about golliwogs.
That caption is pure gold
Though the picture was deleted by moderators, it was promptly reposted by the individual, creating an enormous backlash of individuals telling Skeinz that their Facebook group was perpetuating racist images.
lmao Grandma reposting her racist caricature dolls
Buscke later appeared on an American podcast called Unsafe Space,
Here you go zoomers a 90 minute video essay:
saying that golliwogs were not racial stereotypes but a tradition from Turkey, and that “social justice bullies” had destroyed her Facebook community.
This was bullied because g*mergaters lost their war
The saga was documented on an anonymous Instagram account. The lack of apology has led many knitters to decide that Skeinz is a racist organisation; yarn dyers scrambled for another source of undyed wool. (Skeinz did not respond to requests for comment for this article.)
I wonder why they won't comment
excuse me but are you a racist company harboring racist people with their racist ideas
why won't anyone respond to my emails?
The second involves Libby Jonson (a friend of Buscke) and Alia Bland, two prominent New Zealand designers of knitwear and crochet. After it became clear that they were two of the three founders of Voices for Freedom, an organisation that opposes the government's Covid response, many knitters tried to distance themselves from their patterns. (Jonson, too, did not answer requests for comment.)
Holy shit the 2/3 of the NZ antivax are knitters. Okay well this is going in part 3 lmao it's a rabbit hole
These controversies have international precedent: overseas, digital knitting communities have become significant flashpoints, with groups divided over topics of politics, racism, and diversity – and those are just the ones that get reported outside of the knitting community.
JFC, Knitting made it into the New Yorker: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/03/29/how-politics-tested-ravelry-and-the-crafting-community
How Politics Tested Ravelry and the Crafting Community
The Facebook of knitting and crocheting was a rare online haven. Then came the Kittyhat, Deplorable Knitter, and more.
please fetch me this article, also this one: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/cast-off-how-knitters-turned-nasty/
What could be offensive about this? Taylor had apparently committed ‘violence against Bipoc' — black and indigenous people of colour — by telling them how to conduct their arguments about inclusion. He was ‘tone policing' people of colour and, as a white man, this was wrong.
These altercations take place online and grow in significance in part because digital disagreements are (at least semi) permanent; comments and arguments are cemented in place, somewhere down the feed. “In the digital world [tension] stays there,” says Philippa Smith, an associate professor of English and new media at AUT
Remarkably salient point from an associate professor
who has studied social interactions online. “In a conversation face to face, you might say something and that comment disappears. Online, other people can see and join in with those comments at any time.”
Boomers and Gen X learned that everything you post on the internet stays there forever, then failed to pass on that lesson to most of their progeny.
Knitters use social media because it is social – Instagram and Facebook are a way to connect with others and maintain friendships. “I've met some of my closest friends, my top-five humans, through commenting on Instagram posts,”
I really hate people who describe others as their top five or favorite "Humans" it's the most minor yet annoying virtue signal I've seen with white women.
This knitting identity is fortified by the encouragement and validation in digital spaces
I also hate how mayofoids harp on and on about support, encouragement and validation over and over again. I swear the validation / attention seeking portion of BPD is contagious. Well, better find something else funny in this article before my internalized misogyny takes over.
I think this woman also claims to be Maori
For some members of the community, calling out issues like racism, loudly and explicitly, is essential to maintain the integrity of those communities, regardless of whether it makes people feel uncomfortable.
For Renee Paku, who takes her responsibility as “the only loudmouth Māori on [knitting] Instagram” seriously, this often means photos posted on Instagram with comments about allyship and capitalism, as well as explanations of her latest intricate shawl or stylish sewn skirt. In one video, she stirs her coffee, wearing light-up cat ears that do not detract from the serious subject matter.
Reminder this woman is Maori
“Deep fricking breath,” she says, before explaining how a comment belittling the Māori language in a Facebook knitting group is a microaggression that signifies broader systems of racism. She tells her followers to be courageous in noticing and calling out racism in their lives. “By not stopping [these microaggressions] in real life, you give people the authority and the fricking cheekiness, to be honest, to be doing it online.”
Based Queen making it her lifes work to combat racists on the internet
Paku's willingness to call out racism when she sees it comes at a price. “I've made some enemies,” she tells me. “I've had people at markets refuse to have a stall next to me because I called them out on their cultural appropriation. I don't care, it's people like that that don't show the really beautiful side of the knitting community.”
Apparently IRL too
Laura Vincent, the knitter from Auckland, echoes this. She lists the political issues she thinks about when she knits: Who made the yarn? Is it affordable? Who models the pattern? Is it size inclusive?
Can she afford to support a small business, or will she choose to use mass-market or secondhand yarn?
Based small business enjoyer
What are the environmental effects of yarn made from sheep's wool, or plastic, or cotton?
Did she mean acryllic?
But she doesn't let these questions paralyse her, or prevent her from knitting. “There is so much that is churning in the knitting community, and I don't know what the answer is,” Vincent says. “[But] it's important that everyone … tries to radically change what they're doing so that inclusivity is built into it.”
EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL
ALWAYS BE RADICAL
Laura Vincent, how flattering a photo she supplied to the j*rno
Whether they are processing frustration in a private group chat, explaining allyship on Instagram, starting an alternative yarn event, or writing stories to accompany a pattern, many members of the knitting community are trying to make the space more open to Māori, young people, queer people, and disabled people.
If I understand the NZ heierarchy of oppression it's Maori, youths, and
I guess we're not so different Kiwisisters
Every knitter I spoke to for this piece would agree with her.
oh lmao, this news site is the endless scrolling one. Here's the next article: https://thespinoff.co.nz/internet/09-02-2022/nz-has-a-trucker-convoy-because-protests-are-global-now
NZ has a trucker convoy, because protests are global now
It's like unearthing a time capsule of the crazy vaxxmaxx times
Hope you all enjoyed!
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Oh also I distinctly remember that drama around the person saying they were going to go to India.
It's hilarious that all the women are like 'uhh sweaty my india culture is not your costume' or whatever the frick
Anna Slatz had the best tweet about this
https://x.com/Slatzism/status/1763961562778255371
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wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
Hold up
So some dude went on twitter to talk about how India is still a great place RIGHT AFTER HIS WOMAN WAS R*PED IN INDIA
wtfffffffffff
Total mayoscrote genocide yesterday
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They filmed a video defending India afterwards. She still had bruises on her face. I don't think she talks much in the video, funnily enough.
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They say that r-slurred political radicalism comes from a bored middle class. For foids it's about social justice in knitting. For moids, it's storming the capitol.
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I hadn't thought of it that way before but it makes a lot of sense
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Why does knitting cause so much animosity?
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I would imagine knitting is probably like competitive gaming for women
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You know why
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but knitter women are the best
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Because the stakes are so low, so only the absolute pettiest of people get involved with the drama
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On the hobby side it was generally for Grandmas and the (grand)children they pass it onto, but like with many DIY stuff it got invaded by influencers and wokescolds during COVID and now its srsbsns
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An always underreported aspect of these things is just how often personal gain is also a motivation for all these wokeshit callouts. It's about treating attention as a zero-sum game, and when attention equals money then you have a reason to go after literally anyone else. All you need is a reason, and idpol gives them hundreds of excuses.
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!efforposters !biofoids here is part 2, hope you all enjoy!
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@A effortpost this queen
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done knitter
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Mahalo
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Thanks Cheebs
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They sold all their processing facilities and don't make any garments anymore. They just export the wool, some of the big brands live on in the hands of the chinks but the quality is not the same
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Seriously??
I have a NZ wool cape (lothlorien I think?) that is really nice. That's really messed up they sold off their domestic industry, that probably fricked the working class and lower middle class.
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Yeah the 80s fricked them up bad, they went full Thatcher. Before the 80s NZ simply didn't have homeless people and wage disparity was one of the lowest on earth.
Globalization fricked em over, they raise less sheep than before too. The wool is still exceptional but they somehow let Swanndri leave the country.
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Oh darn I didn't realize the manufacturing base died in the 80s lol
I went looking for NZ Wool boot socks a while ago and being disappointed that all the NZ retailers were selling socks that were nowhere close to 100% wool and I could only find one that was actually made in NZ.
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It started declining through the 80s and fell apart when china opened its markets.
I had the same experience, everything was a blend and nothing actually good was made in NZ
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darn, well if you find any decent NZ only small shops let me know, I really liked the wool quality there
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good effortpost my foidhobby is needle felting. maybe i'll make a marsey.
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Post your marsey when you finish
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And yet I feel fine. Curious.
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GOOD effortpost. 10/10 did enjoy
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Mahalo
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the self flagellation that never ever satisfies them is always so pathetic. 10/10 writeup knitting drama is like nothing else
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Thanks Queen
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I ran out of spoons just reading all that
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Spoons?
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I'm surprised you've read all this knitting drama and never heard of spoons
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That Laura Vincent person looks like a man
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or
call it
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They refer to them only as Vincent in the article that I assumed was FtM, I'm glad I scrolled back up to find unflattering photos to include which also had their full name lol
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does the knitting community call eachother knittas
DARN KNITTA THAT'S A BOMB BUTT SHAWL YOU MADE
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They targeted rDrama.
rDrama.
We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end reading some of the stupidest, most inane posts. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than badges and updoots.
Dramatards are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another shitpost.
Snapshots:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14759756.2022.2102725:
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https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/2/25/18234950/knitting-racism-instagram-stories:
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https://fringeassociation.com/2019/01/12/words-matter/:
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https://thespinoff.co.nz/internet/10-02-2022/untangling-the-knotty-social-dynamics-of-online-knitting-communities:
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/121694030/shock-over-demeaning-golliwog-sales-as-protest-marches-swell:
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https://tikatangata.org.nz/resources-and-support/frequently-asked-questions#what-is-wrong-with-golliwogs-and-blackface:
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122286583/the-golliwog-in-the-room:
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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/03/29/how-politics-tested-ravelry-and-the-crafting-community:
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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/cast-off-how-knitters-turned-nasty/:
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https://thespinoff.co.nz/internet/09-02-2022/nz-has-a-trucker-convoy-because-protests-are-global-now:
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Actually they targeted Snaps, try to keep up
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