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American nationalists (including Biden, you don't get to the presidency without loving your country) must surely be aware of some of the defining characteristics of Americans from the 1800s - 1945
cheap labour in a free or unregulated market
Christian values
grit and drive to improve your life by whatever cost
close political and economic ties with Latin America
Which leads to you wonder why the elites even bother with the dog and pony show regarding illegal immigration considering the main opponents are more secular, insular and expensive to hire.
Throwing Venezuelans at your economy and making them thankful to Jésus to not be robbed daily is going to bring the US back to the 1800s and you'll build strong foreign ties so that when Maduro is out you can Monroe doctrine the shit out of their oil with American-Venezuelan businesses facilitating it all.
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Never understood why yt bible thumpers hated mexicans when the stereotypical mexican immigrant:
loves family
loves food
loves God
loves hard work
Isn't this quintessential burgerland values? Is the only reason they hate them is because their skin is brown?
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Because there's only so many spots in the classrooms, doctors in the ER, working class homes for sale, and blue collar jobs to pass around. It's competition for jobs and resources, not that complex. So many scabs around also makes unionization effectively impossible for what jobs haven't already been outsourced.
Blue collar whitoids and blue collar Latinx actually rub along really well together generally speaking, and intermarry not infrequently; communities are just totally maxed out on the number they can absorb.
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Burgerland had this before, didn't even have public schools, public housing or that frankenpharma industry before WW1.
For most of your history, being pro union would get you shot by Pinkertons. I don't think the elites care at all, except maybe Brandon for them voootes
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Really not sure what your point is. Conditions were bad in the 1900s so we should be cool with them worsening now? What?
And you don't think management cares about being able to stock fields and factories with cheap labor instead of paying a living wage to citizens and having to abide by worker safety regulations? Really?
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Who gives a frick what I think, I'm a leaf.
I'm trying to figure out what your elites are thinking.
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They see a giant sign flashing “cheap exploitable labor” and that's basically it. You can argue each party thinks migrants will turn into voters for their side as well, but I honestly think that's secondary to the desire for a slave class that's paid shit and won't report terrible working conditions.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/25/us/unaccompanied-migrant-child-workers-exploitation.html.
Without paywall: https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116115/documents/HMKP-118-ED00-20230613-SD001.pdf
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Yes we can build more, but government regulations have made it so you cannot build houses, train doctors, or do anything other than stuff more people in decaying cities
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Immigrants also buy things and thus create more jobs. The economy is not zero sum.
Also, isn't the struggle rural areas are having that they're losing people, not that they're gaining them?
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They also send a lot of money back home that doesnt find its way back into the US economy.
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They're losing people and turning into meth pits of despair because there already isn't enough decent work to go around. Shipping abused and poorly paid migrant workers in and out, instead of paying living wages to citizens year round, isn't helpful. Nor does some poor migrant paid shit make up for a local job with bennies for a local.
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I'm preeeeetty sure that America isn't full to capacity yet
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Land being full is not the same thing as having sufficient housing, water, electricity, doctors, and civil services.
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I'm almost certain America has plenty of opportunities for more housing, water, and employment and this "we're full!" mentality is just chuds not having done their research
For example: chuds think we should use the death penalty on violent criminals. What they don't know is it takes so much financial effort to get a guy into the chair that it actually costs less to put him in a prison for life. It just feels like it'd be cheaper.
In other words, facts don't care about your feelings.
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Arguing water isn't an issue, power isn't an increasing issue, affordable housing isn't an issue, and abused underpaid migrants making it hard to barter for living wages being a thing that isn't happening….well, that's certainly a take, I guess.
We COULD ramp up to handle a larger population, but only if done intelligently and with long term planning and strategic population distribution. But, ya know…
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No?
Dude without revealing too much personal info, my state is already nastily duking it out with neighboring states over water rights (a years long fight), and with ecological problems downriver from cities taking more than the ecological system can stand. The projected need for electricity is also off the charts. Like, here's a NYT source for the power issue if you want: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/03/13/climate/electric-power-climate-change.html
This is really not controversial or chuddy take, it's just basic civic planning and the problems therein. Old school hippies are concerned about this too.
Rising pop. is manageable if we invest intelligently in water reclamation, nuclear power etc, but we aren't and will run into issues sooner rather than later. Especially when we keep slamming most people into the same major population centers.
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Send them to Australia, a huge country with a fraction of the population of the US. What do you mean the middle is all desert? That's space, isn't it?
It would be so much easier if the places that need people could be the places that people go to, but it doesn't work that way.
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They also speak mexican and are catholic.
But mostly i assume the culture. Even if its not muh culture [drive-by's you], its still different from wasp culture.
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Latin-American Catholics are considered very different than the many forms of Protestantism, especially Baptist/Evangelical, that make up a lot of burgervalues.
Those differences matter to an insider far more than an outsider. I don't think it's a full Ireland situation but I do think it's an undervalued point of difference to people who aren't so, or at all, religious.
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900? That's a generous lowball.
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Genuinely curious, do you know how far back that autism goes?
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Christian schisms? I would have said 1200-1500 years.
Actually, I would have said the day after Constantine made it the religion of the Roman Empire because schisms are usually the province of established religions, not oppressed upstarts, and I think of Christianity as one of the most enthusiastic splitters, but that's more of a joke answer and ~1500 years anyway.
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Very interesting, thanks!
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ONLY POINT TWO IS TRUE, THE OTHER THREE ARE FABRICATIONS OR BASTARDIZATIONS AT best...
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Not sure if your average flyover schlub is packing more than 90 lol it seems the smart ones without family connections move elsewhere.
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This is my biggest issue with immigration as it currently stands. I'm perfectly happy to accept anyone and everyone into the country, but they've got to be able to support themselves. If the borders were opened, welfare for immigrants was cut to zero, and the response to an immigrant commiting a crime was to imprison, deport, and/or hang them? That's the America I want to live in.
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for immigrantswas cut to zeroThat's better.
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