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A complete list of communist, socialist, and left anarchist societies that have been or are successful

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Per what definition of success?

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  • still extant

  • did not commit mass murder against their own citizens

  • standard of living somewhere above appalling

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China

China

China

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China failed the second test and is also just barely commie.

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No they didn't. And yes they are

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The Great Leap Forward killed like 30 million people. Deng himself said “to get rich is glorious”. Do the workers own the means of production in Chinese factories?

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1. Wasn't mass murder :marseycannibal: (not even going :marseysal3: to quibble about the numbers :marseysoypointdubz: because it doesn't matter :marseypinkname: to you)

2. Communism :marseyzizek: isn't anti-wealth

3. Yes via the CPC and the ACFTU

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I amend my claim to “avoided mass deaths due to gross bureaucratic negligence”.

No they don't.

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Cuba

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"Still extant" shouldn't really matter. !historychads, if that's a requirement, the Roman Empire, Abbasid Caliphate, and Qing Dynasty were all unsuccessful despite their enormity and longevity. :marseymarmotroman:

Personally, I'd say anything over 240 years indisputably meets the "length" criteria for success. That's long enough to guarantee that by the time the nation collapsed and/or was conquered, not only was there no one alive from before it's founding, there was no one alive that had ever met someone that was alive before it's founding. You could argue the cut off should be shorter than that, but I don't see how it could be longer. :marseyshrug:

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Eh, that seems fair. Okay, name a commie nation that lasted longer than 240 years.

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Well that's impossible, given that Marx was only born 206 years ago and The Communist Manifesto was published 176 years ago. But the Soviets couldn't make it a single century, and I sincerely doubt the Socialist Republic of Vietnam or People's Republic of China will manage two. They haven't even managed one yet, but they probably will. :marseysaluteccp:

More importantly, they're both socialist in name only, and have been for a while now. "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" and all that. :marseyxi:

The most successful "socialist nation" is probably one of those weird, isolated tribes in the Amazon rainforest or Andaman and Nicobar Islands. It's likely that some of them have conceptions of private property and communal ownership/governance that would technically make them "socialist" by modern standards. But I don't think you could really call any of them "successful" by the metrics we'd typically use to define such a thing. :marseycaveman:

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:marseybrainletclapping:

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Tldr?

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Communism and socialism as ideologies haven't existed for that long (only 235 years if you want be generous), so being still around is sufficient.

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I'd actually say 177 or 176 years, since the Communist League was founded in 1847 and The Communist Manifesto was published in 1848. I know the Jacobins were using the term earlier than that, but what communism actually is was pretty nebulous until then. :marseymarx:

I was just making a point that "still extant" is a strange phrase to use when discussing the "success" (or lack thereof) of a nation. :marseyakshually:

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Fair lol.

Wtf my keyboard suggested jewish chad as an alternative word to lol. :marseyxd: looks like a Google employee has some strong views...

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Larry Page and Sergey Brin better watch their backs. The rank and file have it out for 'em. :marseygetgle:

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How many public schools they built

And if they turned their subsetence farms into industrial labour that the west benefits from as much as them

Look at the only nice thing on the wiki for somalias commie stint in the 80s

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17125451817108228.webp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Democratic_Republic#Supreme_Revolutionary_Council

After that it basically destroyed the country and they only just started recovering

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:marseyfacepalm:

Is that really wikipedia? Their commie jannies really believ that if you ignore outcomes, commie-nism will work.

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Mine

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Gambler ethno-state when?

In the Goomblocrocy, the luckiest person (latest powerball winner) gets to rule. Their cabinet is made up of lesser winners.

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Honestly might work better than what we're doing :marseythinkorino:

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Of course it will. It was designed by a genius (me) :marseywink:

There's no way this could go tits up

!slots 100 !blackjack 100

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!slots 200

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!slots 300

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!slots 600

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!slots 600

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Someone find one reason this wouldn't work :#marseyluckycat:

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the websters definition

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:#ragemasktalking:

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Good luck finding anyone else that'll accept that definition

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