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Why are so many people claiming to be vegan while still consuming honey and advocating for others to eat honey? Do βvegansβ genuinely think they are helping the bees or the planet by consuming honey? Native pollinators are wiped out by this thinking.
think of the native pollinatorinos 
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I recently learned that bees are routinely refrigerated to influence honey production, and-- this was the breaking point-- bees can definitely feel cold, and they do not like it. That's enough for me to add honey to the list of battles I'm willing to pick.
those poor bees! 
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If you're vegan because you want to say the planet, you should probably incorporate honey and oysters into your diet instead of being strictly vegan. There used to be much larger runs of shellfish, and farming them can be a net positive for our waterways if it causes the numbers to go up.
(Assuming non-invasive species of course. Zebra mussels are fricking the great lakes because they're just better at being mussels than native mussel species.)
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It's not for saving the planet lol, it's about moral superiority.
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Well that but those people are r-slurred memes and I don't care what they do because it's r-slurred.
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