Top Men of Menslib discuss the intricacies of international relations , civil disobedience

This is pretty much the bleakest possible news for Ukrainian men, right?

I'm American. In very real terms, I cannot understand what it is like to have one's country invaded. So I don't know what I'd do in this scenario.

If I'm a Ukrainian man who's escaped the military draft, maybe I've already given up hope that I'll ever return to my home. Maybe I'm hoping to ride it out, a la Americans who escaped to Canada during 'nam.

But waking up to your government telling you that you must risk your life or face statelessness? That's a special kind of heck.

For some men here who lived through the army structure it may be enraging or disheartening to be called a hero or when people thank them because they don't feel like that. They feel dehumanised, used and exploited from being put forcefully into the military.

For some men here who lived through the army structure it may be enraging or disheartening to be called a hero or when people thank them because they don't feel like that.

Reminds me of this poem I just saw for ANZAC Day here in Australia:

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If Ukraine loses, aren't they stateless anyway?

If you want to hold an identity but arent willing to defend the existence of the identity, I think it's hard to act like it really matters to you.

Put another way, if you are willing to sacrifice your life to keep your country intact, Id feel a special type of hatred for those claiming the same rights as me but unwilling to fight for them

Does that apply to the gendered lines too?

Yes, if Ukraine is destroyed, pretty sure Ukrainian women will be stateless too... You know since their state won't exist anymore

I meant the special type of hatred part for the female refugees who were allowed to leave

If we're being real. Yeah there will definitely be some people mad as heck that female refugees were allowed to leave

Though if your asking if we live in a patriarchal society where there won't be the same hatred... Just cause the hatred ain't exactly the same doesn't mean it won't be felt. Like feminism exists for a reason lol

You said you'd feel a special type of hatred to those males who fled dodging the draft then expecting to comeback. Would YOU apply that to everyone or only a certain gender who fled to safety? Respectfully I feel like you dodged the question, twice. And your comment feels incredibly patriarchal as well

This is honestly long overdue. The collective defense is just that: Collective. Everybody who can pitch in should pitch in.. Otherwise you just end up with a poverty draft

Conscription is slavery to the state. Nothing more or less. Slavery is immoral in any context.