I'm not familiar with wikipedia drama but it seems like the 4th attempt already?
Delete as synthesis, and a violation of WP:NPOV policy. There is no doubt that 'communist regimes' as defined in the article have perpetrated many atrocities, but that isn't the issue. The question that needs to be asked is whether 'Mass killings under communist regimes' is a legitimate subject for an encyclopaedic article. And I would have to suggest that the article in question does little to justify that claim. A few writers have certainly seen it as a legitimate subject for discussion, but by and large, credible mainstream histography tends to neither lump all 'communist regimes' together as a subject for scrutiny when discussing 'mass killing' or to treat them as some sort of special case requiring unique analysis. Proper historiography discusses events in context, and without simplistic presuppositions that events are driven by any specific ideology. As the endless disputes on the article talk page make entirely clear, the article, and what exactly it is that it is supposed to be discussing, has long been a subject of contention amongst Wikipedia contributors. Raththan citing credible histographic sources on such subjects, the debate has instead revolved around exactly what constitutes a 'mass killing', or a 'communist regime'. Debate almost invariably focussed on contributors own arguments and opinions, since sources discussing this are sparse, and generally on the fringes of histography. It is absolutely imperative that Wikipedia covers mass killings, regardless of who perpetuates them and what their motivations were, or are, but this article, with its loaded title and its endless wars over what exactly Wikipedia contributors can or cannot include as a 'killing' is exactly the wrong way to go about it. What Wikipedia should be doing is covering, in relevant articles about specific subjects, such atrocities, sourced to mainstream academia, and written in a manner that does not spoon-feed readers over-generalising and ideologically-driven conclusions that the sources concerned do not themselves support. Let the facts about individual events speak for themselves, and let readers decide for themselves whether they wish to blame 'communist regimes' for such crimes, or to instead blame them on the broader fallibilities of a humanity that was perpetuating such atrocities long before 'communists' arrived, and may well, if a more enlightened discourse isn't available, be perpetuating similar atrocities long after such 'regimes' have gone. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:00, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Addendum to the above: a few hours ago, I wrote that "Rather than citing credible histographic sources on such subjects, the debate has instead revolved around exactly what constitutes a 'mass killing', or a 'communist regime'. Debate almost invariably focussed on contributors own arguments and opinions". For further evidence of how such endless going around in circles to arrive at a synthesised compromise can't work, one only need to look at this AfD discussion, and at how it is once again going over exactly the same ground, with the same mind-numbing consequences. I might dare to suggest that even if it were theoretically possible from Wikipedia to create a policy-compliant article on the subject matter (I still contend it isn't), per common sense, and possibly WP:IAR, we should give up trying, since in practice it is never going to happen. Or at lest, not until the last 'communist' and 'anti-communist' has been long dead, buried, and forgotten. There are plenty of other topics to write about, or even to waste time arguing over, and leaving this one for future generations might be best for all concerned. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:17, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
someone shared it on /r/destiny but there's no traction: https://old.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/r1767g/wikipedia_is_considering_removing_the_article_on/?sort=controversial
Article being considered for deletion - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes (https://archive.ph/Q94AY)
Deletion discussion page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes_(4th_nomination) (https://archive.md/dxBwv)
strange to see such a detailed article tabled for deletion
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as far as wikidrama goes this is boring. And wikidrama is already pretty tedious but this is just policy whining. Itโll probably be kept. The โcommunism vs rightoidโ angle is also boring here.
Marsey bc u unbanned ur self for the last one, this isnโt really that bad. Stop posting politics stuff pls tho. (And I bought these with my own dramacoin
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If someone gives him agendaposter now he wont be able to post at all
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Gonna try doing that tbh
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If you give Chiobu Marsey Award he will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
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They got him.
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Pretty gay actually, Chiobu was the funniest person to give Marsey Award to for obvious reasons. Chiobu, make an alt and only post in Marseys!
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He bought the Alt-seeing eye (50k coins, minus price reduction).
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youtube.com/watch?v=IAuRoAUV19o&ab_channel=CelineDionVEVO
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even that wikidrama over using Greyzone as a source for vuvuzuela articles was more interesting than this
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this is a repost of something from patriots dot win. Be better.
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i didn't see it there kid diddler
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Err, I did.
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ok p-do - https://rdrama.net/post/26062
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Wait how is a nested comment pinned oh God it's showing up twice in the thread how the frick does this work @Aevann help
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Take a week off and consider being less of an r-slur
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Iโd been accused of being a p-do for no reason whatsoever a dozen times and defended myself a dozen times. After it continued for several days, started leaning into it as an obvious joke, no different than any other stupid arrDrama bit. Clearly outlined in post history - amazing how literally commenting โ[the pedoposter] is a degenerate / should be shot in either case but I think itโs larpโ and giving extensive advice on how to track him down is seen as me being a p-do. Smh. This is a violation of my first amendment and second amendment rights, HIPAA, and the naval code of justice. I will see you in court.
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For being funny about the ban I've reduced the ban length but just to be clear keep yourself safe posting is okay but pedoposting is not. I know that sounds kinda silly but thems the rules.
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noooo I wonโt be able to use my other ban evasion usernames. rip bonedbyanyothergay
Iโd just unban award myself but donโt care enough
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You can't use an unban award to reverse a jannie ban, I don't think
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Based janny????
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What happened?
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Pedoposting
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Finally
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@chiobu?
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Knownbyanyothername
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Ok,
still confused as to why theyโre calling chibou a p-doWrong thread
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based and redpilled crusaders accused me of being a p-do for no reason, and I sarcastically pretended to be one. i donโt see how thatโs any different from โhomosexuals reproduce by raping kidsโ, but what can ya do.
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The neurodivergent ones are the best, like people getting mad over boring shit like Star Wars planets
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Iโve spent at least 100 hours of my life reading WP:AN/I/Talk:ARBCOM-RFC-7:Archive-7 thereโs lots of gems there. This ones just rough without the diamond though
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