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!lutherans !calvinists point at these papists and laugh

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why r we laffing

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Are you still religious?

I presume you were raised in the Dutch Reformed Church

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Yes no maybe i dont know aymore

and yes

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You're probably as much a Calvinist as I'm a Catholic then lol.

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death to catholics

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stop hate in all its forms. @Corinthian love you, god loves you, and @Corinthian love sucking peepee.

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:marseyhomofascist: u not going to heaven

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don't sidevote me that's not how the elect would behave @kaamrev

@Corinthian will continue too pray for you no matter what mean things you say.

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@kaamrev only hates the Irish (he presumably hates the kaffirs but so would I if I lived in SA) he might be conflating the two.

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hitler gassed the wrong targets - should have been paddies

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I just can't keep up with all these religious wars.

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Not very Christlike of you. !atheists, another Christian hypocrite.

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:#marseydisintegrate: :!#marseyflamewar::space::!marseyagree:

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Does modern !ifrickinglovescience and !physics validate the calvinist worldview as free-will is likely an illusion? :#sciencejak:

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!calvinists deny free will because the ability to choose denies that their God has control of their brain cells.

!ifrickinglovescience and !physics simply know that the universe exploded the way that it did, and that conscious structures are limited by that explosion, and under the same conditions it would be the same.

Free will is an illusion, but the Calvinists are gay submissive bottoms while le heckin black science mans just bareback top their way through life blindly.

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What the frick does any of this mean

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Calvinists are bottoms and Soyentists are top chads.

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Excellent and concise response as always ACA :#marseyclappingglasses:

@Corinthian thoughts on Jean Calvine? Worse than Luther?

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Worse than Luther in terms of heretical belief, yet equally endowed with the dignity and likeness of GOD we all inherit. I will never stop praying. @14GoebbelsGobbler88.

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Don't let anyone ever tell you that. Science can't tell you anything about free will because it is not a measurable, quantifiable phenomenon. It's an intensive quality which cannot be modeled or replicated in lab conditions. Neuroscientists and physical reductionists will sneed at this and tell you how they're getting closer to understanding consciousness or free will based on our increasing understanding of brain structure or neurons or quantum states and other bullshit, but these things are literally irrelevant as these are constituent parts which do not have the properties of the whole system. Consciousness and free will are an emergent phenomena that cannot be reduced to their constituents alone.

>B-b-but muh determinism...

Philosophical argument, can't be backed up empirically. The belief or lack of belief in determinism has little to do with empiricism and more with personal philsophy, it is not something that can be falsified or proven

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Philosophical argument, can't be backed up empirically. The belief or lack of belief in determinism has little to do with empiricism and more with personal philsophy, it is not something that can be falsified or proven

I see, so determinism is all metaphysical mumbo jumbo? I gotta fix my pop-sci detector.

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What does free will even mean honestly? If I show you two people and only one of them has 'free will', how would they differ and how could you tell which one is which? You can't, which is why worrying about whether or not it exists is beyond useless :marseyembrace:

Science (the important ones anyway) is built on top of determinism, so it's metaphysical mumbo jumbo by definition. But until some smarty pants philosopher comes up with something better, it's the only thing that's produced anything of practical use at all.

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No, that's just my opinion. If you don't want to be a redditor you gotta make up your own

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Free will is fake and straight

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who knows? determinism may not be kosher with quantum stuffs (or it might be Super kosher if you ask sabine). i dont know where free-will would live in a material universe but i also dont know where consciousness lives either. Free will presupposes (i think) an essential you making decisions, but who are you anyway. most people agree its that fatty bit on the top with all the EM stuff going on but brain is made up of separate unconscious parts chemically reacting in their own lanes (unbothered. moisturized. flourishing.) and theres split brains and transcranial magnetic stimulation, etc. blurring the line as to where you begin and end. i suspect its an illusion but i feel free will as strongly as i feel conscious so its unhappy spot indeed.

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