https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/intel-sells-stake-chip-designer-arm-holdings-2024-08-13/
Intel, which is cutting thousands of jobs as it struggles to stay relevant in the chip industry, sold its 1.18 million share stake in British chip firm Arm Holdings in the second quarter, a regulatory filing showed on Tuesday.
Intel would have raised about $146.7 million from the sale, based on the average price of Arm's stock between April and June, according to Reuters calculations.
The chipmaker said earlier this month that it would cut more than 15% of its workforce and suspend its dividend amid a pullback in spending on traditional data center semiconductors and a shift towards AI chips, where it lags rivals such as Nvidia.
So Intel is doubling down on AI chips despite the AI balloon popping? Legit business plan.
Intel has said it is focused on developing advanced AI chips and building out its for-hire manufacturing capabilities, as it aims to recoup the technological edge lost to Taiwan's TSMC, the world's largest contract chipmaker.
The push to energize that contracting foundry business under CEO Pat Gelsinger has increased Intel's costs and pressured profit margins, forcing it to seek cost cuts.
Intel and ARM both declined to comment on Tuesday when contacted by Reuters about the share sale.
"This looks to be consistent with the restructuring plan and the renewed focus on liquidity and efficiency that Gelsinger laid out from the last conference call," said Benchmark Co analyst Cody Acree.
huh? ![https://media.tenor.com/Fg7Jrii-17kAAAAx/james-franco-wait-what.webp](https://i.rdrama.net/i/l.webp)
Put things in perspective:
1. Intel wants to be leading techshit (who doesn't really, ?).
2. Intel wants to shift towards AIshit like N(word)vidya
3. Intel wants to shift away from catching up to TSMC's 2->1.4 nm node processes because they realized they can't catch up?
But barely an year ago Intel was forming up memo of understanding with ARM to boost its SOC
Intel Foundry and Arm Announce Multigeneration Collaboration on Leading-Edge SoC Design
April 12, 2023 – Intel Foundry Services (IFS) and Arm today announced a multigeneration agreement to enable chip designers to build low-power compute system-on-chips (SoCs) on the Intel 18A process. The collaboration will focus on mobile SoC designs first, but allows for potential design expansion into automotive, Internet of Things (IoT), data center, aerospace and government applications. Arm® customers designing their next-generation mobile SoCs will benefit from leading-edge Intel 18A process technology, which delivers new breakthrough transistor technologies for improved power and performance, and from IFS's robust manufacturing footprint that includes U.S.- and EU-based capacity.
Early this year, Intel Foundry Services Head Stu Pann explained how Intel planned to build Arm chips, move more manufacturing to the U.S.
Also, how the 5Nodes in 4Years was coming all according to plan and they were ready to take the edge away from TSMC
Just a week ago, Intel's new head of IFS (hired just 3 months ago) was talking enthusiastically about its 1.8nm chip
By August 5th, techshit world was gushing like a hussy gussy about how Intel's 18a was going to blast through TSMC
https://pokde.net/system/pc/cpu/intel-panther-lake-power-on
So what seems to be the problem?
Is it just because Intel seems to be building its own foundry and fab in US while Nvidia outsources all its production to different partners, so in the short run it's experiencing some negative profits...or is it stuck in limbo? Neither can it just let go of its foundry and embrace AI bubble nor can it let go of the AI lure.
again on Aug 6th it announced that its RibbonFET and 18A are on track and taking over TSMC by 2025. (EVERYTHING AS PLANNED)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/artificial-intelligence.html?filters[-7300596454,-8111542043]#gs.dlwi0i
Yeah I can't find anything on Intel's press releases in AI section about GPUs.
All in all, I have no clue what is going on. Someone explain
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Some tech giant is going to go tits up chasing this AI dragon![:marseynorm: :marseynorm:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseynorm.webp)
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Imagine if Intel manages to fail. One of only two companies legally able to manufacture x86 chips and you frick it up.
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PowerPC (OpenPOWER) is back baybee!
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All according to keikaku.
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https://www.zdnet.com/article/if-intel-cant-come-up-with-a-qualcomm-killer-soon-its-game-over-for-x86-pcs/
The retrospectives in a few years will probably point at the stagnation around x86 as a major reason for Intel's failure.
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Ironically that was my rationale for buying AMD shares back when they were like $3.
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I don't understand what an AI chip is supposed to be. Isn't AI just software running on hardware, like digital computing always has been?
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I'm absolutely not an expert on the subject but basically just like CPUs can be better at handling lots of smaller processes or fewer larger ones, or how a GPU has different part for shading, geometry and textures, you can make a chip's architecture better at AI tasks.
The problem is Nvidia's been in the game for nearly ten years now, Intel's not gonna catch up anytime soon and AMD would be fools to even try.
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Google's TPUs (with help from Broadcom and TSMC) are developed/designed/built independently from NVIDIA, and outperform state of the art GPUs.
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Well good thing I didn't mention Google at all
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*According to google's internal tests that they won't let anyone replicate. Just like alphazero is totally better than stockfish but we won't release it or even do a live demonstration, just publish a paper and hope nobody notices how badly our rules gimped stockfish.
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maybe u missed it but intel has been doing GPUs for ages also
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Intel Arc is not remotely competitive with NVidia's usual offerings, not yet at least.
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I was talking about AI specifically, but Intel's ARC lineup is really weak. The fact that despite now having an actual dedicated graphics unit their iGPUs are still miles behind AMD shows that they're not there yet.
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It's just stuffing GPU and "NPU" (a GPU that does algorithmslop?) cores into a chip. Similar idea to how Qualcomm started doing 4+4 core ARM-based SOC chips 15 years ago to have separate cores optimized for low and high-energy use performance, but this optimizes for people telling Copilot to write their quarterly review for them and give them JOI in the voice of Saddam Hussein
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A focus on highly parallel architecture is a common trait.
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A chip with architecture optimised for matrix multiplications. It's more efficient than a CPU.
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I can do that in my head
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it's somewhere between a GPU and a CPU.
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Cpus go really fast but can only truly do like 32 things in parallel. AI number crunching involves solving a huge pile of math problems with no dependencies on each other, so it can make use of much higher concurrency, and in fact requires it.
GPUs are ideal for this because they've always been purpose built for calculating the area of some bullshit triangles, which is easy as piss so you can fill the card with a thousand shitty processors and fat pipes to move the data in and out.
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ohnononono
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Didn't we already figure out that'll never happen because American workers are inferior to Taiwanese workers?
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/tsmc-arizona-struggles-to-overcome-vast-differences-between-taiwanese-and-us-work-culture
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Why won't Americans let us beat them and work them like slaves????
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In US corporations 60% of the workforce are incompetent -- 20% nepobabies, 40% DEI hires -- and they're over-represented in leadership roles. And even the 40% competent ones work less, make more mistakes, and get paid much more than their east asian counterparts.
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LMAO, seethe more asian-cel and enjoy your daily kowtows to management, we'll just be over here continuing to win.
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did you forget we're talking about TSMC vs Intel?
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TSMC is effectively offshore slave labour for the US market lets not kid ourselves.
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delusional
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God I love being an American.![:marseysaluteusa: :marseysaluteusa:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysaluteusa.webp)
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Pure mutt cope, you'l be on a thread next week saying how America's at-will employment, extra long hours and medical care tied to your job are the best thing ever in a thread about europe.
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I work 10 hours a week remote making $150K/yr and I'm typing this from my hot tub because it's a dry 70 this morning
Eurocucks could never. Ricecels could never.
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Truth nuke. Fact is, american products are the best in the world because the soil is magic.
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is that a gibby haynes marsey in your signature?
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No it's a wuzizname marsey based of my pfp.
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Is that the American Movie guy?
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The one that's always walking around and talking and who has those hands? That guy?
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No dumbass, this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Movie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Smith_(filmmaker)
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Oof that dude looks terrible.
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Yeah, but he's not your profile picture.
Also I meant the way he looked in the movie 25 years ago.
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In asia and europe there's a bigger emphasis on STEM and lots of skilled tech workers rival north american engineers in math proficiency. The average tech trades worker knowledge base is greater.
In the USA if you have those kinds of skills you can go someplace where a shrimp peepeeed chinaman isn't throwing tantrums when you take too long on the shitter
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A lot of the foundry workers are r-slurs with a certification or associates
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I work at a fab where a few engineers have left to go work at the TSMC fab in Arizona. Should I ask them what it's actually like over there?
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Yes please I'm just regurgitating what I've seen journos and chip nerds talk about.
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According to the couple people who got back to me they're not slavedrivers like the reporting, it's that the taiwanese bosses expect them to disable safety interlocks to speed shit up and the american engineers won't go along with it
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if i hear "don't worry about lockout tagout" or any other liveleak-bait bullshit i am quitting on the spot![:marseyindignant: :marseyindignant:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyindignant.webp)
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Based, whats your job title?
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Director of frick off and mind your own goddarn business Engineering
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Yes this would be cool
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https://rdrama.net/post/292402/intel-is-in-complete-panic-and/6866227#context
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Treating employees like serfs and prisoners can't be good for morale, retention, and efficiency, can it?
Or are People of Congee so collectivist, they actually thrive on abuse and mistreatment?
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The TSMC managers said their fabs advance 3x to 4x faster than American fabs because they never stop working. They sleep when processes are working and don't need immediate human intervention. They don't talk about the state of their workers.![:marseyitsallsotiresome: :marseyitsallsotiresome:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyitsallsotiresome.webp)
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TSMC employees work a regular 8 hours day, they just work in shifts.
Going by the claimed hours per week per employee, Intel may even be ahead. Americans love bragging about "working" 70 hours per week,when they only do 4 hours of actual work per day but spend another 8 hours hanging out at the office.
For mentally challenging work the performance drops quickly beyond 6 hours per day. You can fill another 3 hours with easy tasks. But even a top 1% taiwanese guy would get less work done with a 11 hour workday than a 9 hour workday.
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In college (in America) I noticed this effect going on with the Chinese students. They would spend all day at the library to show how hard-working and dedicated they were ... but most of the time they would just be eating lunch, drinking boba tea, scrolling through social media, and chatting with their friends every 20 minutes. Most of the rest of the time they spent "studying" was spent color-coding the material (unnecessary) or highlighting the textbook (also unnecessary).
Ofc then they all cheated with each other so they didn't do too bad on the exams. I was still pissed though having them take up all the carrels and distract me with their jabbering.
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It can if the only option is working at the one company that treats you like this fr
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Aka slave away 16hrs a day at work
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Metacels were seething and coping everytime Zuck opened his mouth about the Chinese 9-9-6 (9am to 9pm, 6 days a week) work schedule when they were trying to get Zuck to agree to perpetual 4 day workweeks instead of their weird every other Friday being "Meta Day" aka frick you I'm not working for my mental health.
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Amazing work ethic, shame it doesn't seem to have any benefits re: the quality of their exports
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I don't think it's the workers. I know somebody who worked at Intel several years ago and he said it was the most fricked up place he'd ever worked at. Just complete chaos. Managers not managing. They sucked at basic stuff like coordinating with people in a different time zone in Israel.
I suspect that being so successful for decades they didn't have any pressure on them to be competitive.
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Intel used to be prestigious, but now because it's enormous and they have such ridiculous churn it's become the semiconductor industry equivalent of a safety school. If you get laid off from your current job and you need money right away, you can always find a process engineering position open at intel.
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The mentality is different and the us will never catch up to tsmc, the people working there feel like theyre saving their country by working 28 hours a day. People in the us switch jobs and look for work life balance.
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Tbf they basically are
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AN ARM STAKE WAS THEIR BACKUP PLAN NOW THEY'RE JUST HOSED ONCE THEY GO DOWN![:marseyxd: :marseyxd:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyxd.webp)
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the moral hazard lovin' feds will prop this shit up for eva
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Intel collapsing wasn't on my 2024 bingo card
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It's not surprising. !chuds Go WOKE go BROKE![:marseysmug: :marseysmug:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysmug.webp)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/diversity/diversity-at-intel.html
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Chuds think go woke go broke is a truth. Shitlibs think it's a lie. It's both and neither.
Financial penalties from going woke only occur when a company's existing clientele is driven away by the change, moreso than a new audience being attracted by it.
Disney and Bud Light are good examples. But companies like Nike and Uber always were the domain of progressive wankers, so there is no penalty when they do stuff like this:
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Disney is facing zero backlash from woke, they are feeling backlash from awful storytelling and uninteresting new IP
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I think they're both symptoms of the same problem.
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Wokies are both too wingcucked to create worthwhile art, and they have no life experience (beyond posturing and consooming) to draw from.
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I hope Ivan hasn't got tired of his trans emo phase yet! !cuteandinvalid
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that trans young man is clownpilled![:marseycryingclown: :marseycryingclown:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseycryingclown.webp)
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real shit if i build a pc with the new 5090 should i go ayymd for the chip? i always thought amd was for poors
!g*mers
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If you're just gaming it doesn't matter much which cpu you pick tbh especially if you're getting a 5090 you'll be GPU bound on 4k games anyways
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Just compare the benchmarks of the Intel to AMD chips you're looking at. AMD is usually cheaper and performs really well.
I went with the Ryzen 5 5600 6 core for my gaming PC, no issues in any games or VR streaming.
CPU focused games like rimworld, stellaris, etc have no issues.
The only kind of problem is that unzipping a lot of files can take a little bit of time but I went with the slightly cheaper option, iirc there was a better alternative to the 5600 that was like $50 more.
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Almost all AI models only run on nvidia
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He's talking about the processor.
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Look at and compare benchmarks. Brand loyalty is for console peasants
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The frick you getting a 4090 for?
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With Intel absolutely pooping the bed recently, I'd go with AMD.
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7800x3d is extremely good for the price. They're less "budget" and more "value" now, like they were back in early 00s
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At this moment yes, the latest Intel chips consume double the power for no performance advantage, and the most expensive ones are failing en masse. Might be the next gen Intel is good, but doubtful it's better than AMD.
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Waiting for the
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Intel's future is offering the USGOVT a competitive domestic foundry. I'm bullish long-term on Intel but I'm not putting my money where my mouth is until they start generating positive press. Right now it's bad move after bad move since they don't fear insolvency: money WILL get cheaper to borrow soon, the USGOVT will treat them as too big to fail if and when the foundry sets up.
I'm not catching that knife while I'm trying to fund a mortgage though.
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!incels we lost, dump your shares and find the nearest open window
it's over.
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They are coping and seething and dilating. They're just cutting costs to stay afloat. Not sure why they're trying to get into AI because their GPUs are shit, and they don't have a CPU with an "NPU" (integrated AIshit cores), so hopefully they'll ax their GPU division to stay alive! Maybe it's all a game to get investors to stop selling so many shares.
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Welcome to Pizzavesting 101.
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It's a good long term idea tbh, the current AI bubble is probably going to pop but there's a real future in the tech and specialized, more efficient hardware is going to be a big part of it. But there's two things working against Intel here. They've gotten kind of incompetent, GPUs have been a thing for decades now and they still can't make one that's truly competitive, and their drivers/software exacerbate this. And shareholders are notorious for short-term thinking, so Intel spending a lot of money to make a bet that may not pan out for years while they're already struggling to keep shareholders happy (and may not have the capacity to actually deliver) doesn't bode well for their chances.
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Intel and google are r-slurred. As actual competition has risen in the market these ancient tech giants are set to fall and be replaced by newer generation tech corporations like Microsoft, Nvidia, and Tesla.
Also how r-slurred do you have to be to put your money in AI when there are already leaders in the field of AI.
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how insanely r-slurred can you be? I mean I know you're Indian so I can't expect more than maybe 85 IQ on a good day but holy shit you barely ever break 40
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Bros why are neurodivergents like this.
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I was cutting you some slack on Nvidia because they at least were founded after Intel (not google though), and Tesla isn't a tech company but I know Indians have a pathological need to form cargo cults around wealthy people and I didn't want to disrespect your religion
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Tesla is a tech company r-slur.
Other than that you are right about the rest.
Guess I should have said a different set of companies have adapted and are stealing the pie with the new generation of technology.
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Still don't believe any Jewish Lives Matter
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Your racism is showing r-slur. This is like a white boi noticing blacks do weed while doing a pipe of crack himself.
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@MARFAN_EATS_DOODOO still don't believe Jewish Lives Matter
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Downmarseyd for being correct but impolite.
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I remeber a few months ago tech news was shilling how meteor lack was totally gonna be as energy efficient as arm and shut up arm forever![:marseysmug2: :marseysmug2:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysmug2.webp)
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darn i hope my cousin doesn't get fired. i really like using her discount at the intel employee strore.
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I thought the bottom was in prior to earnings
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Buy the dip!![:m#arseychartdowntrend: :m#arseychartdowntrend:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseychartdowntrend.webp)
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intel is fricked, theyre going to zero. its just a matter of how long it takes.
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no they aren't. They will have the fabs on US soil which will make them too important to be allowed to fail.
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lol TSM is a U.S. vassal, AMD and NVDA already use TSM exclusively. Intel is redundant.
Unlike Boeing Intel has no moat.
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@Roll stand with israel
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Snapshots:
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https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-foundry-head-stu-pann-explains-companys-plan-to-build-arm-chips-move-more-manufacturing-to-the-us:
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https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-announces-new-roadmap-at-ifs-direct-connect-2024-new-14a-node-clearwater-forest-taped-in-five-nodes-in-four-years-remains-on-track:
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https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/kevin-obuckley-talks-progress-intel-18a.html#gs.dlvpr9:
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https://pokde.net/system/pc/cpu/intel-panther-lake-power-on:
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https://www.patentlyapple.com/2024/02/intel-is-set-to-release-the-worlds-first-14nm-chip-by-2027-and-18nm-in-2025-to-compete-with-tsmcs-2nm-that-apple-will-be.html:
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