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Gunpowder was even invented in China and arguable early cannon tactics were really perfected by the Turks.

These are great powers in the Old World with indirect connections with Europe going back millenia. That's not what he was writing about. I mean ffs Turkey is a European country at this time. He was writing about places that had no kind of contact at all with Europeans until they showed up on a ship one day. Places where there's an extreme difference in technology between the invaders and the natives.

Not even joking, I'm having a really hard time following your logic because sometimes you're arguing against the book and sometimes you're against what you imagine is in the book.

Ohhhh I get it. Your imaginary straw man Diamond wrote that once an empire gets guns, germs, and steel then it's pretty much invincible until the 20th century. Yeah, that's really stupid.

China or the Middle Eastern societies. Both had large cities, disease, firearms and access to steel. Both were completely dominated by the European powers up until the end of empire in the 20th century... Gunpowder was even invented in China and arguable early cannon tactics were really perfected by the Turks.

So you're saying straw Diamond is wrong because China and Turkey had guns but they were "completely dominated by the European powers" throughout this period.

(Starting when? I'm assuming you mean 1532 with the Battle of Cajamarca. Silly me. You wouldn't know without reading the book. This whole time I've been assuming we're talking about ~1500-1900. If you'll indulge me, I'm going to continue to. You can have your straw man but you can't move him to a different time period.)

First problem with your argument: Ottoman Turkey was itself a European power. Until a century ago their capital was Adrianople.

Second problem with your argument: China was never "totally dominated" by Europe. That's so stupid I don't need to elaborate further. Turkey hasn't ever been "totally dominated" by Europeans either. If the French and Greeks had gotten their way in the early 1920s maybe you could say that. But they didn't. And it's not even within the time limit you set: "the end of empire in the 20th century". One of the biggest of those empires that ended was the Ottoman Empire.

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