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Girlboss Sinema has likely ruined her political career

https://apnews.com/article/voting-rights-kyrsten-sinema-phoenix-arizona-voting-af9409b7dbab996a1a8df329c053fce0

Anyway, I posted this because multiple rightoids tried to argue with me and claim I was wrong and Sinema was totally fine and popular among Arizona dems.

I claimed Sinema was in a lot of danger, because she isn;t Joe Manchin. The DNC is gaining ground in arizona and can't ignore the left-wing activist bloc or they risk sinking turnout in the state.

Surprise surprise, this is the exact reasoning the state party is now rejecting Sinema:

But she faces political dynamics unlike the other Senate moderate thwarting Democratic ambitions, Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Representing a state that former President Donald Trump carried by nearly 39 percentage points in 2020, Manchin is unlikely to face a progressive challenger who would gain traction.

In Arizona, however, Democrats are ascendant. Joe Biden was the first Democratic presidential candidate to carry the state since 1996, and the party is eager to build on that success. That makes it harder for a Democrat to simply ignore the left here, particularly in a primary election.

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She's gonna win re-election, I guarantee it. How much do u want to bet against and at what odds? C'mon, you know u want to, r-slur

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In Arizona, however, Democrats are ascendant. Joe Biden was the first Democratic presidential candidate to carry the state since 1996, and the party is eager to build on that success. That makes it harder for a Democrat to simply ignore the left here, particularly in a primary election.

that's a lot of copium right there, they won the state once in over 20 years and that was running against the biggest r-slur ever elected.

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Bad news for dramacoin if true, sell sell sell

:#marseywallst: :#marseycope: :#marseyseethe:

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Even Manchin is risk getting primaried, I wouldn't be surprised that the woman is getting hit harder. Misogyny truly runs deep in our system smh my head.

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It's so weird seeing pizza post somewhat normally

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Im sure that democrats foghting to keep majority will put efforninto primaring the one person that looks moderate.

That will surely work. I hope yhey mention J6M during that. That is clearly beeing an effective tool to garner votes

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Pizza gives me Jesus before the jeering crowd vibes. He just sticks to his guns no matter how unpopular it is, even when he’s being strung up and nailed through the palms.

It takes a lot of mettle to be an average r/politics poster on this site.

:#marseycrucified:


:marseyvibing: The Democratic Party will collapse by 2030. :marseyvibing:
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Despite all his rage, pizza's still just a rat in a cage.

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Imagine if you redirected all the energy you spend arguing online into improving your life.

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Imagine if you invested the time you spend sneeding at me in learning how to think correctly.

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Spending 15 minutes a week memorizing r/politics talking points to regurgitate? I think that's about the total time I spend taking shits in a week so it seems manageable. Look at shit while I take a shit.

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It must be quite an experience to get patrolled this hard by a thot.

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Nice agendapost. Boring af like all your other posts pizza

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Have you taken care of your cat yet?

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My favorite part of this political theatre is how the filibuster wasn't racist or "a jim crow relic" when the dems used it 328 times their last time in minority.

And when they lose their majority and start using it again, it suddenly won't be racist or "a jim crow relic" anymore.

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I’m still anti-EC, even though obstensibly it’s the left that benefits from obfuscated and complex election methods.

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The filibuster literally is rooted in a racist past.

Either way, the filibuster only benefits Republicans.

Republicans base their brand on having no policy agenda and the federal government doing nothing. Democrats do not.

In fact, I would argue the only dems in the senate that argue in favor of it are themselves conservatives that know once progressive policy is passed, it will be almost impossible to repeal.

Because there's no strategic reason to keep it, there's exactly 0 benefits to the democratic band in keeping the filibuster. And if conservatives didn't have the filibuster to lean on, they'd be forced into passing deeply unpopular policy thus causing them to bleed electoral support even faster.

You can find academics talking about this:

The obvious upshot is, if you're on the conservative side -- the side benefiting from & protecting status quo power dynamics -- you want less legislation. Less/smaller gov't generally. You want gov't to leave things alone, because the way things are works for you/your people.

The US filibuster is just about the ideal situation for conservatives. They can use simple Senate majorities to cut taxes (via reconciliation) & approve nutbag judges, but the 60-vote supermajority requirement makes normal legislating effectively impossible.

The real conservative fear about getting rid of the filibuster is not that policy would whiplash back & forth, but that policy would, over time, trend progressive. Thing is, people like active/helpful gov't. When new gov't programs are passed, they tend to stick.

Republicans could theoretically come in every few years & wipe out a bunch of popular new policies, but they would suffer for it electorally. You see this in other democracies, where conservative parties have been forced to make peace with, eg, universal health care.

Basically, if progressives are allowed to implement policy, it will be popular & difficult to reverse. The more legislating goes on, the more the US will trend toward other advanced democracies, w/ an actual social safety net, etc. Conservatives know this.

Making normal legislation impossible, especially w/ an obscure & mostly hidden procedural quirk like the filibuster, is ideal for the GOP. It makes Dems look feckless & gov't look dysfunctional. It causes general frick-the-system angst that benefits conservatives.

Anyway, yeah: the filibuster is for people who don't want government to do things and know that in a true one-person-one-vote democracy, government would do a bunch of things. So they need to prevent too much democracy.

Everything else around this debate is noise.

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Yeah, but so what?

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Either way, the filibuster only benefits Republicans.

So why did the Dems use it over 300 times when they were last in the minority?? Fricking moron :marseypizzashill:

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Because it's still useful for blocking unhinged conservative policy to some extent, but I'd argue more so than that they're just politically illiterate.

Letting Republicans pass laws is amazing for the DNC because the Republican party has no popular policy agenda and would rapidly bleed support in the suburbs.

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lmfao

:#marseycope:

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Your horse laugh attempts aren't tricking anyone but yourself.

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:#marseysneed:

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I hate you pizza

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so's fricking everything in burger history

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"There are some ideas so stupid they can only come from academia"-based black econ man

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Literally nothing there is incorrect.

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dems used it 328 times their last time in minority.

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Again, has no relevance to anything I or he said.

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you can find (((academics))) talking about anything lol

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Eva why do you still try to talk about US politics after being proven a giant r-slur in 2020.

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Keep flailing r-slur.

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:#marseysleep:

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Just two more weeks until democracy is destroyed!

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I mean there's no way to argue the GOP did not try to steal the 2020 election.

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Sorry sweetie, you're only allowed to cast doubt on a federal election if you get Robert Mueller to do a report on it :marseynails:

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The Mueller probe did not come from the election, it came from Donald Trump firing the director of the FBI and then going on live TV and saying he did it to end an FBI probe.

Even more absurd is it was Republicans that appointed him, and Mueller himself was a Republican.

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It was a probe into russian interference/collusion in the 2016 election, casting doubts on its legitimacy. It would have been called the Comey report if he hadn't fire him. There was a question of obstruction of justice from that firing, but boomers like Mueller don't think the president can obstruct justice.

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Mueller was his own investigation bud, you're confusing an FBI investigation with the Mueller investigation.

Also it's not only that boomers don't think the president can obstruct justice, they don't think a president can be charged with a crime period. This all comes from a bat-shit insane DOJ memo during the Nixon years.

The logic is "congress will hold them accountable" which in America seems incredibly dubious given the polarization, so essentially a president is above the law.

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The probe was initially intended to uncover any financial ties between the Trump campaign and Russia, then it included obstruction after the firing. You're splitting hairs, Barr said they were two parts of the same report. Both were lead by Mueller.

How does that change the fact that they had a FBI investigation into the 2016 election to totally get it viewed as tainted by another global power? You're pearl clutching about tweets but not a multi year fishing expedition?

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Also, I'm 100% genuine when I say: if you believe the US democracy is in danger you should work on improving the way ballots are collected, handled and counted so that there isn't a shadow of a doubt about the results.

If this wasn't such a shitshow the Republicans wouldn't have been so successful at casting doubt on the legitimacy of the result.

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The ballots are already collected well and the process is incredibly clear, this is what you people don't fricking comprehend.

it doesn't matter, Republicans literally banned the counting of mail in ballots early in PA so they could drag it out and claim fraud, they were fricking warned about this well in advance, they did not care because it was fricking intentional and they know their base is too r-slurred to ever learn how the process works.

https://nbcphiladelphia.com/news/politics/decision-2020/mail-in-voting-what-to-know/pa-republican-lawmakers-remain-unwilling-to-allow-early-vote-counting/2567571/

With 15 days until the Nov. 3 presidential election, Republican lawmakers in the battleground state of Pennsylvania appeared unwilling Monday to authorize counties to process mail-in ballots before Election Day, seen as crucial to producing a prompt election result.

I'm so fricking sick of this shit, take 5 minutes to learn something before you form opinions.

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Florida counted 11 million votes in hours while states with 10 times less voters took days, mail in votes aren't enough to justify that level of incompetence.

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My fricking god, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN. Where does this ignorance come from?

FLORIDA FRICKING COUNTS VOTES EARL.Y.

https://sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/elections/fl-ne-election-2020-florida-fast-vote-reporting-20201105-4vecbsq2tffkfpzd25avu3zz4i-story.html

Pre-Election Day processing: Florida election officials could start processing mail ballots 22 days before the election. That meant much of the work had already been done when polls closed. Other states have different laws on this. Pennsylvania couldn’t start processing mail ballots until 7 a.m. on Election Day. The Trump campaign and its allies blocked efforts to allow mail ballots to be processed earlier in Pennsylvania.

Why do you not bother to learn how things work before you make claims like this?

Like please man, why are you like this? Do you even know why it takes so long to count mail in votes in states without early counting?

Because you have to unbox, unfold, and sort millions of ballots.

Not only did Republicans in PA block early counting, They starved election officials of funding so the process would take even longer.

Now let me ask you this - why do you think they did these things? Think really hard.

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Ok, you've convinced me that not early counting mail-in votes is the main reason for the delays across most states, although I hope we both agree that stopping reporting the results in the middle of the night wasn't a good look.

Look I'm not saying republicans are angels and that there was no foul play at all. But the most plausible explanation isn't that they had an evil master plan to contest the results later, but that they were actually worried about fraud after 4 years of democrats trying to remove trump from power. I mean it's not exactly a secret that the political establishment hated trump, wouldn't you be worried about fraud too if you were a trump supporter?

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Listen to me, this is malicious, it's not that they're worried about fraud, it's that they're intentionally lying to undermine democracy.

To prove this I will cite the California governors race, in which Larry Elder accidentally released his concession speech 2 days early and it said Benford's law had proven fraud in the recall election.

Now riddle me this unbroken, even if we were to believe Benford's law could be used to detect fraud (it can't) how exactly had Benford's law proven fraud 2 days before a single vote was counted?

How is this not smoking gun evidence for what they are up to?

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I did literally 5 minutes of research and found out it's not a "concession speech", lt was a fricking fundraising email, trying to fleece republicans for money for muh fraud. Your claims that (((they))) are enacting a unified conspiracy to overthrow democracy are as deranged as the average q-tard.

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This "voting rights act" was going to fix election security by...

...allowing people to vote without registration or ID? Re-enfranchise convicted felons? Remove states' ability to regulate the process? And do it all by usurping a 250 year institution by unilateral party action?

Seriously in what world did any wingcuck think this wasn't going to backfire horribly on them?

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The bill included a national federal voter ID, nice try though.

The bill actually just expanded mail in voting and put in place laws to crack down on states attempting to suppress voters.

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Pizza did you even read it? These are all in it. Go back and look at the provisional ballot section. It was voting without ID and same day registration, contingent on literally any appointed/elected official saying you were “who you say you are” up to a week after the election.

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It was not voting without ID, you're seemingly confusing bills here.

The election bill they shot down recently included a national voter ID system.

For example:

https://nbcnews.com/politics/elections/what-s-democrats-latest-voting-legislation-what-would-bills-do-n1287301

If states choose to require voter ID, the bill would create a national standard of acceptable forms; the standard would allow a wider range of identifying documents — and electronic copies — than some states with strict voter ID laws now permit.

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same day registration

Literally nothing wrong with this, tons of states have it.

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There’s 2 of them you dolt. Read the Freedom to Vote act and stop reading the news.

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The one they recently declined is the one I am citing.

Either way, the GOP is against it because it makes their weird election theft schemes harder, no other reason.

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They can’t even get the day off so non-layabouts can vote, you think dems can swing their peepee for better elections in general?

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At least rightoids come up with new theories.

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Nobody that isn't a US leftoid believes that

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"The GOP" didnt but some of its radical elements clearly would have supported it if they thought there was a chance of success. Muh stop the steal!

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I agree. I sound really gay for not contributing anything other than that but it's just true and as the George Soros of rdrama I like to support criticism of rightoids

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Obviously but you can say that about the losing side in every election

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Young activists are holding a second hunger strike to draw attention to Sinema’s vote.

Doesn't this mean they failed their first hunger strike? Fricking quitters.

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Hunger strikes for burgers is waiting 30 minutes for their next meal.

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Not voting to overhaul a tradition in the senate so you can ram through a bill earns you censure now? Man dems are more r-slurred than i thought

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Something has to be done, Republicans have become openly hostile to elections.

Republicans won't even accept losing in +25d states, they're just producing election fraud conspiracies at an unprecedented rate.

It's hard to argue this isn't them laying the groundwork to use state power to steal national elections. 2020 was a trial run. They identified every point from which they failed and have been passing laws erasing those points since the election ended.

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Something has to be done! The Demand Overlords have become openly hostile to elections.

They won't even accept losing in 1d20+5 states, aliens are just producing election fraud conspiracies at an unprecedented rate.

It's hard to argue this isn't the vampires laying the groundwork to use state power to steal national elections. 2020 was a trial run. They identified every point from which they failed and have been passing laws erasing those points since the election ended.

:#marseyjones: :#marseyjones: :#marseyjones: :#marseyjones: :#marseyjones:

:marseypizzashill: :#marseydicklet:

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I don’t get it

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You'll notice not one of them can ever respond to or refute anything said, they all engage in the same tactic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule

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Republicans have become openly hostile to elections.

:#marseyspecialpat:

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How in the actual frick are they not hostile to elections?

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You find that hard to believe?

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I have a lot of thoughts on the subject but Pizza finds a way to paint issues like this in the most inflammatory light possible.

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I'm not going to tone down reality to make basic facts seem more palatable. They are absolutely hostile to elections at this point.

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Bro, you're replying to a day-old comment. I already shared my thoughts with you. At this point, I will just say that painting "the other side" in the most dramatically worst light possible does your own judgement no justice.

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No, this is literally the fallacy of centrism and American moderate delusion. Because normal people can't possibly believe the GOP really is this bad they think basic facts about reality are just actually partisan.

You see something similar when it comes to Republican voters and policy:

https://dataforprogress.org/blog/2020/12/30/republicans-dont-know-anything-about-their-party

The political scientist E. E. Schattschneider argued that “democracy is unthinkable save in terms of the parties.” For Schattschneider, parties solved an information problem that arises with advanced (post-)industrial society. Put simply, the kinds and quantity of policies that arise are of such complexity and scale that no one person could ever hope to know enough to make an informed voting decision. The parties then are to work as heuristics. With their platforms they work to simplify the great issues of the day. But if this metric by which we are to judge their relative success, they have evidently failed.

In 1950, a committee Schattschneider chaired released a report called “Towards a More Responsible Two-Party System.” The report advocated for, in brief, more ideologically distinct parties which would offer voters a clear choice. Recent trends in partisan polarization have caused voters to question this conclusion. But these findings suggest that despite the ideological drift of the parties in Congress, voters don’t always see the choices they have as being distinct on issues where the parties are in fact quite different.

As for why Republicans voters in particular don't see a difference between the two major parties, there are many causes. Motivated reasoning likely plays a large role. If a Republican voter doesn’t think mining companies should dump debris into a stream, why would they think their elected representative would support this policy?

This is a long-running trend, of voters, especially Republican voters, denying the extremism of the positions that the party holds on questions of political economy. Matthew Yglesias, formerly of Vox, terms this phenomenon “the politics of incredulity.” For him, such voters are a major reason why these conditions persist. He argues “voters find [the Republican Party’s position on economic issues] so outlandishly bad that they’ll only believe someone espouses them if you can convince them first that the person in question is a heartless monster.” For Republican voters in particular, Yglesias adds: “Consequently, people who align with Republicans on broad values themes — whether opposition to abortion rights, love of guns, patriotism, or panic at the thought of a diversifying country — find it simply not credible that their champions are actually running on a politically toxic agenda that would clearly lose elections.”

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Lol bro nobody is going to read that

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this is literally the fallacy of centrism and American moderate delusion

You have a bad habit of assuming the positions of those with whom you engage.

That aside, you still clearly do not understand my point.

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