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A queer mommy's 9 year old daughter had some extremely insightful and woke commentary about crakkkas after reading the 1619 project

https://twitter.com/happyqueer/status/1484869165878067202
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there are some inaccuracies in the 1619 project, but they're pretty obvious and most of it is fine.

if you start your book with an endorsment of eating used diapers but then correct it and say well its obvious no one should trust that bit you're kind of r-slurred

The issue they have with it is how it frames American history - through the lens of the oppressed, which contradicts the weird white-washed understanding of American history conservatives have.

shouldnt history be objective rather than framed?

is the hill a conservative site?

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No, but this video isn't saying anything I didn't say.

The inaccuracies were fairly minor and corrected.

Rightoids aren't even trying to argue objective facts anymore, they're mad because of how it portrays the American story.

Essentially the 1619 projects places a greatest relevance on slavery than most people want, they aren't trying to contest the actual facts, their arguments have become "slavery wasn't that important to American history."

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Rightoids aren't even trying to argue objective facts anymore, they're mad because of how it portrays the American story.

https://opera-historica.com/pdfs/oph/2021/01/05.pdf

The Times’s list of the project’s contributors included some names I recognized and respected, although it did seem odd that the list lacked any historian with expertise on the history of the United States before 1865, which would include, of course, the entire history of American slavery.

I mean come on dude, how can you look at someone that says shit like this

![](https://i.redd.it/8yfsqrnam4x51.png)

and not think at all theres a grift here

Essentially the 1619 projects places a greatest relevance on slavery than most people want, they aren't trying to contest the actual facts, their arguments have become "slavery wasn't that important to American history."

so slavery was good for america

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I get the sense you arne't understanding what I'm saying to you.

https://opera-historica.com/pdfs/oph/2021/01/05.pdf

Yes, these people wrote a letter critical of the inaccuracies, but the inaccuracies they cite were corrected. The person you just cited actually wrote:

The letter’s signatories recognize the problem the Times aimed to remedy, Wilentz told me. β€œEach of us, all of us, think that the idea of the 1619 Project is fantastic. I mean, it's just urgently needed. The idea of bringing to light not only scholarship but all sorts of things that have to do with the centrality of slavery and of racism to American history is a wonderful idea,” he said. In a subsequent interview, he said, β€œFar from an attempt to discredit the 1619 Project, our letter is intended to help it.”

The actual debate is over the course of American history, you can read about the real conflict here:

https://theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/historians-clash-1619-project/604093/

To put this into perspective, this is the biggest issue they had:

β€œTo teach children that the American Revolution was fought in part to secure slavery would be giving a fundamental misunderstanding not only of what the American Revolution was all about but what America stood for and has stood for since the Founding,” Wilentz told me. Anti-slavery ideology was a β€œvery new thing in the world in the 18th century,” he said, and β€œthere was more anti-slavery activity in the colonies than in Britain.”

It's more nuanced than this:

Historians who are in neither Wilentz’s camp nor the 1619 Project’s say both have a point. β€œI do not agree that the American Revolution was just a slaveholders' rebellion,” Manisha Sinha, a history professor at the University of Connecticut and the author of The Slave's Cause: A History of Abolition, told me.* β€œBut also understand that the original Constitution did give some ironclad protections to slavery without mentioning it.”

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I mean come on dude, how can you look at someone that says shit like this

I don't know how else to word this in a way you can comprehend. The actual issues of fact have been corrected.

so slavery was good for america

No, it was actually an economic loss and horrible across the board. But slavery is a defining thing in American history either way, the founders did tolerate slavery, our laws did protect slavers, we fought a civil war - one of the most important events in our history over slavery.

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It's stuff like this that makes me realize you're just a DNC shill

Yes, these people wrote a letter critical of the inaccuracies, but the inaccuracies they cite were corrected.

like i said if you shit your pants at the start of a talk you dont get to say that doesnt count

It's more nuanced than this

no it isn't. you yourself say conservatives think slavery good and liberals think slavery bad. there is no nuance to the argument in that case

No, it was actually an economic loss and horrible across the board. But slavery is a defining thing in American history either way, the founders did tolerate slavery, our laws did protect slavers, we fought a civil war - one of the most important events in our history over slavery.

i learned about slavery in high school in scotland. so you're saying that you as a burger weren't taught it?

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It's stuff like this that makes me realize you're just a DNC shill

I think you're probably just a foreigner and not very educated on any of this.

like i said if you shit your pants at the start of a talk you dont get to say that doesnt count

That's literally how history works, we change and correct things as new understandings are obtained. So yes, you do get to make corrections to historical works, I don't know who told you that this isn't a thing.

no it isn't. you yourself say conservatives think slavery good and liberals think slavery bad. there is no nuance to the argument in that case

Copy-paste where anyone said slavery was good.

i learned about slavery in high school in scotland. so you're saying that you as a burger weren't taught it?

Ah you are a foreigner, this makes more sense.

Americans learn about slavery, but in many parts of the country it's white-washed. I'll give you an example of what I mean, but some relevant context first.

In America Texas has a monopoly on the production of school textbooks, Texas is a crazy rightoid state so a lot of school textbooks have to be corrected and or contain absurd bullshit denying climate change, evolution, or white-washing slavery.

An example:

https://npr.org/sections/ed/2015/10/23/450826208/why-calling-slaves-workers-is-more-than-an-editing-error

Or:

https://richmond.com/discover-richmond/happy-slaves-the-peculiar-story-of-three-virginia-school-textbooks/article_47e79d49-eac8-575d-ac9d-1c6fce52328f.html

Even worse is large swathes of the American population denies that slavery was the cause of the civil war, this is because of a neo-confederate group stocking southern public schools with faux history textbooks:

https://facingsouth.org/2019/04/twisted-sources-how-confederate-propaganda-ended-souths-schoolbooks

And for more reading on this:

https://npr.org/sections/ed/2018/02/04/582468315/why-schools-fail-to-teach-slaverys-hard-history

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The report includes the "dismal" results of a new, multiple-choice survey of 1,000 high school seniors β€” results that suggest many young people know little about slavery's origins and the government's role in perpetuating it. Just a third of students correctly identified the law that officially ended slavery, the 13th Amendment, and fewer than half knew of the Middle Passage. Most alarming, though, were the results to this question:

Nearly half blamed taxes on imported goods. Perhaps, the report's authors guessed, students were confusing the Civil War with the Revolutionary War.

How many students chose slavery as the reason the South seceded?

Eight percent.

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I think you're probably just a foreigner and not very educated on any of this.

says the american

That's literally how history works, we change and correct things as new understandings are obtained. So yes, you do get to make corrections to historical works, I don't know who told you that this isn't a thing.

how american history works

Copy-paste where anyone said slavery was good.

Texas is a crazy rightoid state so a lot of school textbooks have to be corrected and or contain absurd bullshit denying climate change, evolution, or white-washing slavery.

Stop saying it's more nuanced and then say that. I'd respect you more if you didn't try to argue nuance and just said im heroic and everyone against my ideology is evil

Even worse is large swathes of the American population denies that slavery was the cause of the civil war, this is because of a neo-confederate group stocking southern public schools with faux history textbooks

darn simpsons is written by neoconfederates

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says the american

I mean I have a formal education on the topic which is why I'm easily dunking you.

how american history works

Based on?

Stop saying it's more nuanced and then say that. I'd respect you more if you didn't try to argue nuance and just said im heroic and everyone against my ideology is evil

Where did anyone claim slavery was good? Where was anyone called evil?

darn simpsons is written by neoconfederates

I'm confused, are you under the impression a simpsons joke is somehow a valid replacement for basic historical facts? The civil war was completely over slavery, every single secondary issue was objectively linked to slavery.

Every state that left the union cited slavery.

The president of the confederacy cited slavery.

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I have a formal education on the topic

home schooling

Where did anyone claim slavery was good?

do you really not get that im saying you're painting texas as this pro-slavery state and then when i call you out you say umm no no one said that. while in the same breath talk of gay butt nuance

I'm confused, are you under the impression a simpsons joke is somehow a valid replacement for basic historical facts? The civil war was completely over slavery

im making fun of you for saying the idea the civil war couldve been over multiple things was a neoconfederate talking point. by that token the simpsons was written by neoconfederates. it's making fun of you for having a black and white morality based on what? was your mother a democrat?

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