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pizzashill they/them Subject matter expertise: foid identity extremism  2yr ago (text post) 1,145 thread views #38940
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Why are foreign rightoids that post about American politics so dumb on average?

Don't get me wrong, American rightoids are dumb too, but there's like a special kind of r-sluration with foreign rightoids.

Why is a bong here trying to argue to me the civil war wasn't over slavery?

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Why is a bong here trying to argue to me the civil war wasn't over slavery?

Erm, because the only state that signed onto the Confederacy explicitly because they wanted to own people was Texas. Racism was a tool to explain how denying people their rights was acceptable but the causes of the war were economic, the southern states could not afford to pay their workforce and paying the slaves would and did mean lasting economic depression forcing them to rely on handouts from the rich northern states, a fact that probably did not slip the mind of the oh so noble northerners. Originally North and South were both as prosperous as each other but the engine of the souths prosperity was slave labour, all the other states that weren't Texas signed onto the Confederacy to avoid Northern economic domination and they lost and have been the poor states ever since. Racism was a convenient way to justify the state of affairs but it didn't cause anything, if the south had been in a position to shift their economy from agriculture to speculative stock trading or something hardly anyone would of given a shit about the slaves.

Its not our fault you don't know your own history and have let a bunch of historical revisionists tell you the only reason things happen is racism or sexism.

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This is genuinely insane, you are historically illiterate, full stop, irrefutably the war was over slavery.

Every single state that left the union cited slavery, the confederacy as a whole cited slavery.

You're essentially repeating lost cause mythology:

https://essentialcivilwarcurriculum.com/tariffs-and-the-american-civil-war.html

The most annoying part about you guys is your attempts to mask your own historically illiterate drivel by declaring everyone with a basic understanding of the topic "ignorant of history."

Like, I can not stress this enough, if you do not believe the civil war was over slavery you need to go re-take 8th grade history.

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Yeah sure, tariffs, that's what I was talking about, not the forcibly restructure of a whole nations economy that left half of it at a disadvantage, only one specific issue that you can handily declare has nothing to do with anything. You know no one buys this shit when you libs do it, re-interpret what people are saying to mean something unrelated, disprove your own strawman then declare yourself the victor.

Stay r-slurred Pizzashill, not that you have a choice otherwise.

8th grade history

No thanks, as shit as the education system is in my country at least it't not the burgastani one.

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Yeah sure, tariffs, that's what I was talking about, not the forcibly restructure of a whole nations economy that left half of it at a disadvantage, only one specific issue that you can handily declare has nothing to do with anything. You know no one buys this shit when you libs do it, re-interpret what people are saying to mean something unrelated, disprove your own strawman then declare yourself the victor.

Slavery was the only issue in America capable of causing a civil war. Like, what I am saying to you is basic history, I don't know where you've learned otherwise but it certainly wasn't from historical scholarship.

No thanks, as shit as the education system is in my country at least it't not the burgastani one.

I mean you're throwing out lost cause talking points, so I think it is.

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lost cause talking points,

I'm still waiting for you to actually disprove my first point. You may continue to flail about trying to avoid the question if you like.

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I don't even know what you're trying to say. Like, if you're saying what I think you are, that'd still be slavery.

Here, let's try this.

because the only state that signed onto the Confederacy explicitly because they wanted to own people was Texas.

This isn't even true, every state that left the union and joined the confederacy cited slavery. The confederacy as a whole cited slavery. The famous cornerstone speech for example:

Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon itβ€”when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition.

So I'm baffled as to how you think it was only Texas.

Racism was a tool to explain how denying people their rights was acceptable but the causes of the war were economic, the southern states could not afford to pay their workforce and paying the slaves would and did mean lasting economic depression forcing them to rely on handouts from the rich northern states

I mean obviously, slavery was economic in many ways, but that doesn't mean the confederacy didn't also subscribe to racial supremacy as a framework as well. They straight-up called it the natural order and a moral truth, that's well beyond economics.

Racism was a convenient way to justify the state of affairs but it didn't cause anything, if the south had been in a position to shift their economy from agriculture to speculative stock trading or something hardly anyone would of given a shit about the slaves.

This right here? I don't even know what you're trying to argue with. Nobody is arguing the civil war was over morality and "racism."

But the civil war was over slavery. The confederacy was deeply racist and believed they had a moral and natural right to own black people. The reason I was confused by your comment is it wasn't making a real point.

The reason I said you're engaging in lost cause mythology is because you're seemingly trying to decouple slavery from racism.

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When I said prosperous, I mean for the ruling elite, poor people get universally fricked regardless of the economic situation.

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