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rdrama's admins should now disallowing the future use of: Archive.Today, Archive.is, Archive.md, Archive.ph, and all other redirects to Archive.Today - for as long as Russia is invading the Ukraine and/or is "at war".

Archive.today is a full-featured archiving service with a lot of useful features.

It's also hosted in Russia, as well as some services it calls being hosted in Russia.

Due to that fact, we anticipate that relying on a service which could theoretically be captured by a hostile, fascist, aggressive and war-starting state ... is less than ideal - along with the fact that Internet access to Russia from the rest of the world will become (and recently has been, for archive.today in recent days) unreliable.

@Snappy should plan to deprecate use of the service due to the fact that bad actors can block the archive service's logged-in user (and have begun to do so) to keep evidence of their hatred, harassment, violent threats, and other evil out of captured archives.

So - unless circumstances change - don't use archive.today.


This may present some problems for our process. We'd like to discuss evolving the process - ways to capture and cite authoritative offsite evidence of bad actor subreddit operators doing evil - promoting or encouraging hatred, harassment, or violence.

There's PushShift, which has the advantage of not being hosted in Russia ... and the advantage that it already captured the material ... but the disadvantage that it's unwieldy to use and unwieldy to cite.

We avoided using it because of its unwieldiness, to avoid loading the service, and to avoid giving away query methods to bad actors -- which methods we anticipated would be used to harass good people. That scenario has come to pass and so is no longer that much of a concern.

We'd also like to see fewer posts of "here's a new hate subreddit just hit 1000 subscribers no i haven't reported anything in it to admins yet or reported the subreddit itself to admins just go look", and more contacting us by modmail to tip us off and have us investigate, capture, and evaluate a subreddit. We want to limit the oxygen of amplification for these groups.

The process we've been using for a year as documented in our /r/againsthatesubreddits/wiki/howto could use general revision, etc.

So suggest stuff.

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> be :bardfinn:
> wake up, take HRT, make breakfast
> power on the AntiHateβ„’ Workstation
> the eight screens start populating with multiple tracking databases, tables, graphs, histograms, charts, Pushshift queries, Reddit pages and Groomercord :marseygroomer:
> the multiple hard drives start clicking frenetically from the Pushshift calls
> The cooling pumps and fans grow louder as the anti-hate AI models training push the server grade CPU to its limit
> just like Lain :marseycatgirl3:
> a message appears on the screen Β«archive.ph is unreachableΒ»
> start shaking as all the citation in the anti-hate researches and academic papers are now void
> immediately open the Reddit client writing only 2 paragraphs complying about fascist Russia
> frenetically start replacing all the citations from the archive with Pushshift

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🚨Bard bot (near miss) alert!🚨

I'll let it slide this time, but I'm watching you...

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"a hostile, fascist, aggressive and war-starting state"

Gambia doesn't have many server-farms and I'm running out of other states that don't meet that definition.

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