speaker right now to be my Liason to hire Artist 1 for commission. Will pay good Dramacoin.
https://rdrama.net/post/58808/alright-dramatards-time-to-vote-marseyridin
As Artist 1 was second place, I looked to reach out to her. Not only does this Korean do commissions, she has a phenomenal portfolio with a surprsingly affordable price. @Redactor0 you were right on the money about this one.
http://artmug.kr/index.php?channel=view&uid=18580
Here's the thing, she is Korean. I do not speak Korean. And contrary to what everyone else has said about using Google Translate, I still do not trust it enough to rely on it solely, especially after consulting a Japanese speaker here.
Therefor I am canvassing for people who can at least partially understand Korean, and either act as a liason or counsel me on my communications with this woman.
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Snapshots:
https://rdrama.net/post/58808/alright-dramatards-time-to-vote-marseyridin:
http://artmug.kr/index.php?channel=view&uid=18580:
https://twitter.com/kapo_030:
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Here OP try this to start
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Seems good
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I'm not nearly to a level that would be useful. I know we've got at least one user who is fluent but I can't remember their name. I think it was Korean[something]. Is there a way to search for users? I always forget exactly what to call the people I want to ping.
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Yeah, it's KoreanDragKing. I remember they've said they know Korean. I dunno about KoreanTourist.
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gong noise
I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED.
vague asian string musical riff
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Your theme song:
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Sorry, I’m too much of a hapa. My mom was born in Korea but even she doesn’t know the language anymore.
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Your ancestors right now:
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With rice please
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Lice*
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I speak Korean I can help! 한국어를 말할 수 있어요 :)
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Where you at dude!?!?
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I tried to reply to your message but it won’t send :(
I can definitely help though, let me know if you’d like something translated!
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Translate the following:
I just got a hold of a Korean speaker, so I am sending you this wall of text yet again. Sincere apologies for flooding your inbox with spam.
I am interested in commissioning a half-body of a rather unknown character - Marsey the Cat
She is (or was) traditionally drawn as a cartoon cat in a simple flat art style. However there did exist one interpretation of her as a cat girl, which would be the primary reference. Here is an additional cat girl reference, however this is in the simplistic cartoon style.
Other references: If you have seen or heard of Amélie, I think the main character in that movie is emblematic of some of the qualities in "Marsey" - mischievous, playful, innocent, quirky, confident but not a social butterfly. Here is an additional shot from that movie.
It is important to tie "Marsey the Cat Girl" to her roots as a cartoon cat. You see in the first reference / interpretation, where the features that signaled a relationship were: the color scheme (orange), the cat ears, and the memorabilia on her dress (the gold pins on her overalls are cats). I am not hard set on copying the overalls, so if you think in your wisdom that "Marsey" would look better in a different outfit more suitable to her personality, I would support it and compensate properly.
I would ask if it is possible for you to draw animals in any capacity. I think the inclusion of a cat with the same cap-and-saddle pattern as the original cartoon "Marsey the Cat" - either in the background or in her arms. The focus of the art is on the cat girl, but the cat would be a callback to "Marsey's" origins. If this is not possible, that is fine.
Lastly, with regards to the background, if you are capable of doing so I think a background of a traditional European city/town street would be fitting, though I am not hard set on it and open to suggestions. This was an idea I got from the Amelie movie. Additionally, I have a peculiar but simple request for the background. If it is not possible that is fine. Assuming that you choose an urban background, there should be a visible neon light sign that says the following specifically in English: "DRAMA".
Examples of what the neon light "DRAMA" sign would look like. However, you are the artist, and if you believe it would look better in a different style, then I trust your judgement.
As for poses, I don't have any hard set on my mind, so I leave it up to your good senses. A face that shows any of the qualities I listed above would work - mischievous, playful, innocent, likes to troll, warm-hearted, tomboyish.
Thoughts?
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Yeah I will tonight!
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Lol here you are:
캐릭터의 반신을 의뢰는 있어요. 이 캐릭터의 이름은 Marsey Cat이에요.
사람이 보통 Marsey를 만화 예술 스타일로 그려요. 하지만 이 그림에서 Marsey는 고양이 소녀로 그려졌어요. 이것이 주요 참조이요.
다른 참고 자료: Amélie를 보거나 들어본 적이 있다면 그 영화의 주인공이 "Marsey"의 일부 특성을 상징한다고 생각해요. 장난꾸러기, 장난꾸러기, 순수함, 기발함, 자신감이 있지만 사회적 사람는 아니요. 다음은 그 영화의 추가 장면이예요:
"Marsey Cat Girl"을 만화 고양이라는 뿌리에 묶는 것이 중요해요. 첫 번째 참조 관계를 나타내는 특징은 색 구성표(주황색), 고양이 귀, 드레스의 기념품이에요.
동물을 그릴 수 있어세요? 배경이나 팔에 원작 만화 "Marsey Cat"과 같은 모자와 안장 패턴을 가진 고양이가 포함되면 돼요. 예술의 초점은 고양이 소녀에 있지만 고양이는 "Marsey's" 기원에 대한 콜백이 될 것이요. 이것이 가능하지 않다면 괜찮아요.
마지막으로 전통적인 유럽 도시/마을 거리의 배경이 있어면 좋을 것 같아요. 이것은 내가 Amelie 영화에서 얻은 아이디어이에요. 도시 배경을 선택하면 "DRAMA"라는 영어로 된 눈에 띄는 네온 사인이 있어야 해요.
네온사인 "DRAMA" 사인의 예이 다음이에요. 그러나 다른 스타일로 더 잘 보일 것이라고 생각한다면 저는 그것을 믿어요.
얼굴을 그려면서 장난꾸러기, 천진난만, 따뜻한 마음을 나타내는 얼굴을 그려주세요.
어떻게 생각하세요?
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Sent!
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In my message, there are links to various references (that I removed here so dramathrowaway can translate). What do you suggest I do differently in my sent out requests, if anything at all?
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Personally I would be okay working with this kind of long descriptions but usually artists have some request form where you can fill with more specific details for the sake of brevity. I think perhaps you should start with a more simplified request with the important details and omit a lot of the text since most artists only care about the specifics of the commission. Also if you're going to request a background and extra props (like adding a pet) make sure to check if the artist accept these things beforehand, most artists usually have a "Do/Don't" list where you can see if they're okay with drawing backgrounds and extras
If the artist doesn't have a commission form then I'd organize the message like this:
Type of commission: Halfbody
Character References: Links to the references (pictures), here you can clarify that Marsey is originally the cartoon cat shown in the references and that while you're okay with the artist sticking to the current catgirl design, they have artistic freedom to modify the design as they see it fit since you're interested in getting different artists' interpretations of the character
Personality: keywords like playful, innocent, quirky, confident but not a social butterfly, etc
Background: Describe the background or link to pics to use as references and here you can also add the detail about the "DRAMA" neon sign
Other: Here you can ask if it would be possible to add a small cat and also if it would be possible to add some other callbacks to her original cat form, like the pins
Also let them know that if they have any question about the commission to ask you so you can elaborate or clarify
Hope that helps
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She got cold feet.
Second message minutes later:
I sent her this reply just now, but I'm worried she's gonna flake anyway or I am coming off too strong. I revealed my power level too.
Am I asking for too much??? I don't know why she is saying that other than making up an excuse to refuse my commission. Her art is good. On her page she has even done backgrounds before. http://artmug.kr/index.php?channel=view&uid=18580
What do you think she is really thinking? Is she actually intimidated by my requests and having a crisis of confidence? Or is she lying because she actually thinks my request is lame and just wants to draw more vtubers or something??
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I'd give her the benefit of doubt, a lot of us artists sometimes get into these artblocks and crisis of confidence and that might affect our work and we always want to deliver the best product we can so if we feel like we're not gonna be able to do so we prefer to cancel the commission than deliver an unsatisfactory piece. I think asking her what she'd be okay drawing was a good move to see if she could at least work in the character, if you're not very picky you can always get the character with a transparent background and commission a bg separately from a different artist or just use a photo as the background
Though I think the next time you should avoid mentioning that it's for a forum dedicated to trolling and such, I feel that might turn some people away. Regardless, all that is left is waiting for her response
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I'm sorry if I keep bothering you, but I don't have an art sense and I want this to be a hit out the park. You grasp Marsey well and have a vision of her far exceeding my own.
I received this email from a different artist - Yunann
I will be replying with a confirmation on everything. But I don't know how to respond for the background.
I wanted to ask, if you were the artist (or commissioner), what is your vision of Marsey? I do not have confidence in giving an answer for the BG.
I did send the main character of a french film - Amelie - as a reference. So based on that film alone, I would say an outdoor, European-urban environment. But this is a "messy" background as well, so it won't be detailed. Considering Marsey is an icon of "Drama", then I could say indoor in a theater or stage. Or outdoors as that would be easiest and put the focus on Marsey, may contrast with her orange better?
I don't know, I do not have a solid image in my mind of what I want, rather I went in hoping that the artist comprehends the essence of Marsey, and uses their creative freedom to draw their own faithful interpretation.
Would you do the same outfit again? Would you try something different, or should the artist continue to use your original pic's dress as the hard reference?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v9goRD4jOOHPDA71eHF1GBiLgqV1HWrDvCNOielbrAE/edit
EDIT: technical question, I chose half body, assuming it goes to their thighs / butt. Is that wrong, is half body only to their upper abdomen? They have maybe one example of a full body in there I think. Is the Dress Up Darling picture they have an example of a half body or full body? Half body is generally better right? Because it forces the artist to put more detail and focus on the face and the upper dress, which is most important. Or am I wrong?
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Good job bobby, here's a star
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That's great and all, but I asked for my burger without cheese.
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I'm not sure what's going on but I can't send you PM's either.
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DM me mate
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Koreans under 30 all read and speak English.
Unless they're a turbo-poor, but anyone posting art online is not a turbo-poor.
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idk...even most of the idols struggle and I assume they get regular English drills on top of their dancing/singing/dieting classes.
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It’s much harder to confidently speak English than it is to write it
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Idols aren't from well-off families.
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Most young Koreans these days can read/write English well enough for this
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My rich cousin who has never been to the United States speaks English with an Los Angeles accent and its fricking creepy because she went to an expensive hagwon/afterschool academy.
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Accents like all features of languages are purely learned. If she learnt English watching or hearing it in a LA accent that'll be her accent too. It's why Bibi has a Pennsylvanian accent.
Alas, trans lives matter.
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I will add 300DC to the pot
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I can use google translate for you if you are too shy to do it yourself
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Frick yea I voted for artist 1 leeeeeeeeeeessssssgoooooooooooooo 👉
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