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Today we're discussing something no one cares about: comic books! Don't worry, there's also racism, r*pe, bitter old men, the nature of fiction and its influence on reality, school shootings, and blackface in here. I'm posting in chunks because the automod is the devil. : Drama

https://old.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/q3o3it/today_were_discussing_something_no_one_cares

Repost but itโ€™s a great one. Also thereโ€™s this that got cut off by reddit.

A black woman reacts to Alan Moore ibcluding the living incarnation of blackface in his comic

https://andweshallmarch.typepad.com/and_we_shall_march/the_black_dossier/

The main problem with this is that LoEG was always about exploring the baggage of characters. The parts that got left behind as they got cleaned up and sanitized. Like Allan Quartermainโ€™s drug use or Nemoโ€™s casual murderousness and racism. You canโ€™t feature the Golliwog in a work like that and not mention racism or how uncomfortable it is talking to a living breathing blackface caricature. Even Dianey knew better than to use the Mandarin from the comics. Thatโ€™s why heโ€™s a more civilized Genghis Khan instead of Fu Manchu in Legend of the Ten Rings.

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Loving comic books is pain. Don Rosa once referred to the modern comic book market as โ€œmiserableโ€ I hate the arrogance and contempt in that statement. I hate the smug condescendion in it. I hate the dismissiveness of it. I also hate that heโ€™s completely right.

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What are your thoughts on the manga market vs western comic market. Manga seems to be doing well no?

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Manga still has variety. It ainโ€™t all Shonen. There are three or four Golf mangas going right now. Golf manga. What do American comic books have to offer? Superhero comics are the only game left in town, and those havenโ€™t been good since the nineties, and Iโ€™m being overly generous here. The American comic book industry is dead, and we are just vultures tearing at itโ€™s corpse. Alan Moore tried to do new things, but his essential spark seems to have been snuffed out. Cinema Purgatoria was like a fricking Chick Tract. I donโ€™t even know if Arachnae or Top Shelf is still publishing comics.

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Manga is even worse imo when it comes to variety, despite going into "new" territory the stories are all the same, doesn't matter if it's tennis, golf, lazer tag, or hacky sack. Japanese readers are even more conservative than western ones, and require an almost slavish adherence to tired tropes, to the point where even the subversion of those tropes becomes unoriginal and repetitive.

One of the most interesting things to me is that the further back you go in Japanese manga/anime the more relatable the characters and artstyles are to western audiences. The stories, the characters, the lives depicted are very obviously written by people who were at least somewhat normalstrags. Especially in seinen works, the working adults/college students/high schoolers depicted went from people that most normies could sympathize with to almost exclusively some variant of an outcast/loser/nerd. Otaku culture has almost completely absorbed all of anime and manga, and it's ultimately a net negative.

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Japan has slowly become a less and less human friendly society

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True, the developments I'm complaining about are probably accurate to how Japanese society has changed. It's just weird, even as recently as the early 2000s you could find works that depict relatively normal relationships that western audiences could relate to.

The one thing that has remained constant though is the rampant libertarianism, maybe it's less overt now with the main characters usually matching the age of their paramours, but back then it wasn't uncommon to see authors seriously depict idealized relationships between adult men and teenaged girls. Japan's obsession with high school girls hasn't changed a single bit.

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Nuke Japan again.

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But Black Dynamite, I live in Japan

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Cheap animation killed comics as an art form. Doesn't help that the writers all suck.

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This is cheaper and easier than therapy.

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