This is my first reddit post, so please excuse any problems with the formatting!
For those who don't know, Hololive is one of the titans of the vtubing industry. Vtubers, short for Virtual Youtubers, are streamers who use a specially-made anime avatar for their livestreams, as opposed to the more traditional use of face cams. Many vtubers are also associated with the Japanese Idol Industry – not only do they livestream, but they also dance, sing, and perform, selling out concert venues and occasionally appearing on the Japanese music charts.
Among its fans, Hololive is often-regarded as the Good TM Vtuber company. Fans love to dote about how kind, welcoming, and wholesome Hololive is, especially in comparison to its competitors. Clips demonstrating such values are widely popular among fans. This reputation has done much to buoy Hololive's success, but from a business perspective, it can also be a double-edged sword: any corporate decision which seems to violate said principles are viewed with immense alarm and suspicion, as fans fear losing the ‘last good' vtubing company.
About three years ago, Hololive found itself embroiled in a major controversy. To describe it most briefly, it originated from everyone's favorite geopolitical conflict: the recognition, or lack thereof, of Taiwan as an independent country. At this point in time, Hololive was streaming to the Chinese market consistently via the Chinese streaming service Bilibili. Two of their streamers, Akai Haato and Kiryu Coco, were discussing their Youtube analytics, when they mentioned that many of their fans come from Taiwan. The backlash from Chinese fans was swift and immense. And it was, in large part, implicitly supported by Bilibili - or at least, many fans think so. To put a long story short, Hololive was forced to close its Chinese branch, and many of their remaining talents faced months of harassment. Eventually, Hololive decided to close itself off to the Chinese market completely, including, most relevantly, a decision to no longer stream on Bilibili.
A few hours ago, it was confirmed on r/Hololive that one of Hololive's talents, Kobo Kanaeru, has recently streamed on Bilibili. Cue the subredditdrama:
Some fans merely express their disapproval:
Yeah... It's legit. Not a fan honestly
Others are a bit more blunt:
Some see it as a betrayal:
Others, particularly newer fans, don't know what the big deal is:
A few even support the decision:
There's plenty more in the rest of the comments: https://old.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1ddd13x/its_real_kobo_is_streaming_on_b2/
(And for clarification, you will see a lot of comments discussing Cover. Cover Corp is actually the name of the corporation behind Hololive, and Hololive is essentially their flagship branch. But since Hololive is a much more famous name to outsiders than Cover Corp, I used it).
https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1ddhve8/three_years_after_an_explosive_controversy/
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You know this has to be the saddest thing that zoomers are into
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its no worse than the people worshipping regular ecelebs. the culture is a little different but also similar in the core ways. the online age in general is bleak as frick so i think maybe chill out and let people enjoy things from your glass house mr niche chud website user
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"NOOO my hecking loli p*dos are hecking normal!!! Let people enjoy things chud"
Keep yourself safe.
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nobody is normal. normalcy as a concept died out in the 21st century. were all hopped up on dopamine and slowly going insane from isolation and extremely fake conflicts. ironically the people most obsessed with the concept of normalcy are some of the most degenerate of them all. so yes, let people enjoy things, chud. said fully sincerely and unironically
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First they came for anime p*dos, and I did speak up because I wasn't a chud, I guess![:tayshrug: :tayshrug:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/tayshrug.webp)
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Most online take iv seen in a long time.
You think everyone's a freak bc you're one and that all you see.
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Where do you think you are r-slur?
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Im an elder sperg who has grown up tyvm![:marseyboomer: :marseyboomer:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyboomer.webp)
This is just the best version of reddit/4chan/what ever.
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ah yes the man who gets his personality from commie YouTube essays
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uh excuse you my personality was downloaded from 4chan and then extensively modified from there thnk you very much
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Even if this were true, this is not much of a defense
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this is an unironic reddit post
you're being catfished by a man or a fat woman, you know that right?
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I personally feel that it is way worse. Though worshiping ecelebs is also bad.
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It's a little worse, these people talk like these idols are their whole lives
They obsess over the lives of these women every hour of every day
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All streaming is subhuman, both streamers and their audiences. Doesnt matter if anime flavored or not.
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I just dont get it. Like that pippa one too that lulbertarian zoomers are obsessed with. Like aren't they all under companies and producers now that make asian moids sit around as virtual anime girls that constantly scream at each other thinking its funny?
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Kardashians
Allah forgive me for my dramaphobia ![:marseysalat: :marseysalat:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysalat.webp)
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HOLY COW BROS
BOOBEDOOBOO IS STREAMING ON WILLYWILLY I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS ![:marseycrying: :marseycrying:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseycrying.webp)
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Sneedemfeedem and Chuck Sheisty linked up. Need it or keep it?![:marseysneed: :marseysneed:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysneed.webp)
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i like hololive but i fricking hate the chinese
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Bilibili dumped their stonks in Cover's rivals.
VTubing in China in general is dead because the CCP made laws that cucked VTubers such as limits on how much people can donate, how much money a VTuber can receive, CCP moderators and self-doxxing themselves. This as a result killed Chink VTubers and instead created the current Chinese livestreamer model of shilling products for that are somehow worse than Temu-tier products and as much soft-core pornography they can get away with even not being allowed to show cleavage.
TL;DR: Cover won the VTuber Wars.
All Chinks must apologize at the feet of Chammers. Artia and the rest of those backstabbing whores should have their fingers and elbows broken and then get karate-chopped in the throat by the Fubuki then Nanking'ed by Nakiri Ayame; the Ultra-Nationalist.
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Wait what?
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She didn't respond to/like a birthday art that my cousin; Ninomae Ina'nis, made of her, thus Nakiri Ayame hates Koreans and is an Ultra-Nationalist Jap who is too busy protesting in the streets against Koreans to actually stream as her hololive model.
The meme:
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I see. The only follow up I have is, what are tips for dating a Korean woman. I've been out to coffee once with one and she doesn't hate me.
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Sprinkle some emotional support, pretend to care about her day, give her a hug daily , dont be fat and poor; you can be fat and rich, but not fat and poor.
simple as
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Who returns to what?
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UwU baby pedobait streamer is streaming on a chinese-only platform after her company stopped doing so three years ago.
As for that, here's a less gay rundown of what happened a few years ago:
Later, the Chinamen in this greentext died because his building collapsed due to poor construction. As punishment, his next of kin were thrown in jail.
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I love how much these people baby grown women. Like its one thing to watch for fun and maybe engage with it every so often but the people on these subs, live and die by their "oshie" and how they're doing.![:marseyxd: :marseyxd:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyxd.webp)
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/vt/ is the worst board, somehow even worse than /v/.
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You honestly think you're just going to walk away from this? You all are in deep shit now. You think they care about "free speech"? THINK AGAIN. The law is theirs to bend, and they'll stop at nothing. Think they'll buy "it was just a prank, bro?" Think they'll stop going after you because the judge didn't believe it? You thought WRONG, BUCKO. Never underestimate the ability of the feds to try and drum out obstruction/tampering charges. They know this case is high profile and they're going to send out a message to make sure this kind of online behavior never happens again. Even if they can't put in prison, they'll use all their private connections and assets to make your life a living heck. In fact, you're already in the fire pit. They have all the evidence they need. You're living in the illusion of safety, hiding behind all the supposedly locked doors and masks of anonymity. The paper trail points right to you, and they hold all the keys. They have unlimited resources, and they will use them at the drop of a hat. It's over. Finished. Finito. There's nothing you can do now. I would start praying to Yahweh if I were you. Because God only knows what awaits you...
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Yeah... It's legit. Not a fan honestly:
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Fricking yikes:
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I still remember the harassment Fubuki faced during the whole ordeal. I think it was almost a year or maybe more of constant bots flooding her chat. No collabs could happen during that time because the bots would flood other chats as well. It almost broke Fubuki as well till some members just disregarded it and started to play games with her on stream. Constant harassment just gets to you sometimes no matter how strong you may be mentally.:
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so I'm genuinely unfamiliar with what this means. could someone explain what the significance of this is, and why people are so upset? all I know is that bilibili is a video platform.:
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I know this will fall on deaf ears, but I just wanna say that not all of the people in Bilibili are bad and I'll support Cover and Kobo in this endeavor.:
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