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Bard spotting on Bluesky 11 January 2025 
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Sy Nakamura (@princewiddershins.bsky.social):
Accidentally ate some vegan cheese last night and I have never been so mad at food before this
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
The closest I get to being vegan is eating mushrooms grilled in miso & soy sauce with butter
Oooh wait no, there's always PB&J sandwiches
Sy Nakamura (@princewiddershins.bsky.social):
That sounds tasty!
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petey (@plsdoitbetter.bsky.social):
This is like saying "the closest I get to being alcohol free is having a few beers a night". It just makes no sense lol
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
I see your responses through this thread that amount to proselytisation and you picked the wrong tack to use here by picking proselytisation, and you especially picked the wrong tack by picking to sneer at me
petey (@plsdoitbetter.bsky.social):
I think you're only saying that because you disagree with the cause. You never heard anti racist people telling people arguing against racism to watch their tone or stop proselytizing.
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
No, I'm saying that as someone who has been a Taoist, a Buddhist, a vegan for 5 years earlier in life, whose diet is largely maize and soy and rice and veg now, who has diagnosed gastro issues Which I Ain't Discussin' With You, and who knows a lot about how not to persuade people
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
And in fact, I have told millions of antiracists to stop falling to racist's bad faith rhetorical traps, and to take concrete action. It is why Reddit kicked /r/the_donald and 3,500+ hate groups off the site.
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petey (@plsdoitbetter.bsky.social):
What's persuasive and what's true aren't the same thing. The gap is growing every day. You should go vegan, if you ever were the the first place.
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
The "… if you ever were …" bit is also on the canonical list of How Not To Persuade.
petey (@plsdoitbetter.bsky.social):
You might wanna look at the history of successful moral movements throughout history to see how militant they were.
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
You might want to not patronise someone who led one
petey (@plsdoitbetter.bsky.social):
Which successful moral movement did you lead? Do you think MLK Jr didn't proselytize?
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
I told you. It's unpersuasive to treat people as game pieces instead of fully autonomous beings.
petey (@plsdoitbetter.bsky.social):
Can you show me where you told me? I see nothing about you leading a movement.
What ethical theory do you endorse? Have you studied ethics much?
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Is your goal here to encourage people to be vegan, or to feel superior? You're failing at the first and going through the motions of the second.
petey (@plsdoitbetter.bsky.social):
That's a bunch of words that don't answer my questions or address my argument
Try reading "Pacifism as Pathology"
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
They answer your questions, just not in the way you wish or expect.
Try treating people as autonomous beings who have their own agency and might like how Miso tastes.
Have a nice day.
petey (@plsdoitbetter.bsky.social):
I don't think you could name an ethical theory without googling and that's probably why you don't understand how your response was a non answer.
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
You speak confidently from ignorance, rather than confidently from knowledge. That's sneering. Women can tell when men patronise and sneer at us.
petey (@plsdoitbetter.bsky.social):
Read this paper: spot.colorado.edu/
heathwoo/re...Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Women can tell when we are patronised by any gender.
We often can also correctly identify that "Have a nice night" is a boundary being drawn, and to respect that boundary.
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petey (@plsdoitbetter.bsky.social):
I'm not a man. I have a master's degree in philosophy and focused on ethics. I've taught college classes on ethics and logic.
You're just talking shit and dodging questions you can't answer. I guess I shouldn't have expected someone who identifies as a witch to be the most intellectually literate.
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Oh, sorry to misgender you. Have a good night.
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