Thing is my understanding of Bong farmers, they are not really in the class of wealthy landlords as you might think - they have significantly less farm areas than even Safrican farmers (because Bongland is much smaller), whilst also having to adhere to significantly more regulations, often operating under small margins
They are property wealthy, but not finance wealthy, which are different things - meaning the land they own puts them above the average rentoid Bong, but only in so as the value of their farmland. The average farmer would quite literally not even be able to buy their own land from their own median earnings, and would only have been able to acquire it through hereditary means
Meaning the farmers are stuck at farming as it is their land is their only worthy asset, which appreciates yearly like the runaway House prices in london, but does not do so proportionally in terms of their produce value - meaning the land gets more "valuable" but the actual produce capacity does not!
In other words the capacity for the median farmer to buy land via their own generative farming production, diminishes yearly, which is insane!
Sounds like leftists are again failing to understand the difference between someone having x amount in net worth vs having that amount of actual cash that could be paid to a tax man.
Also another case of leftists being happy that big businesses will inevitably be the ones to buy up all the whatnot
Also the defenders complaining about how all the farmers must be secretly rich just sounds like a very Reddit tier argument. Going as far back as 2012 when Redditors had a real hard on for the idea of socialism and the "Nordic model" and blah blah blah, I remember it wasn't uncommon to run into Castro simps (lmao) who claimed every last person who fled Cuba was really just a rich landlord kulak that wouldn't pay their fair share Yeah, all those people fleeing into the Caribbean on floating doors were wealthy colonial landlords, every one of them
It's an automatic leftist cope to try and pretend like a really bad economic idea isn't effecting entirely normal people.
The comment of @newport has bearing, which is why i harp on about the difference in proportion to land value and it's production capability value, and how the comment of @Geniud2 is the constant response of that and leftwing governments
I do not deny that Bong farmers are often wealthy, or in the very least solid middle-class/or well off. But the median Bonglish farmer is far from some untapped goldmine waiting to be plundered for their hidden pot of gold
I forgot the stats i once saw, but something for farmer's land (discounting other shit like urban ownership), ownership title deed transference was due to 70% inheretence, which might paint the picture of old bue blood keeping land wealth in a circle, but also that majority of farming used land is mostly transferred via families.
Now what leftists fail to realize is that the median Bong famer operates on small financial margins, even if in name they could be millionares in land valuation, meaning that the only asset they have is the land, and the only manner in which as @newport said could pay off such vast inheretence tax is via selling off portions of their land, which is continuously disproportionate from it's production value.
This creates the threat of choking to death the future of agriculture in Bonfland - because farming is a very hard and hazardous undertaking, and few outside those growing up in a farming household or background are willing to endure the yearly uncertainty of crop farming. It takes a hardened mentality to undertake farming, and you seldom see urban dwellers flocking to open farms. How many Tech CEOs do you see flocking to rural regions, leaving the comfort of their London estates, to burn in the sun, and choke in the dust of their tractors. Farmers often earn more, for the same reasons difficult occupations like Oil Riggers earn more.
The current agricultural sector of Bongland is a stable tax base, and the choking of future potential or upcoming farmers via such draconian and stifling inheretance tax, might be akin to shortsighted taxation "greed" by a leftwing government which i think cannot see the long term value of such a tax base, while being blinded by the notion of Uber rich buying land to avoid taxes
I DONT deny wealthy Bongs using this loophole to avoid taxes, but the median farmer, will suffer overwhelmingly disproportionately from this directive.
I feel it's the equivalent of having a rent cap in left wing cities, who fail to realize it has downstream negative effects - like causing small landlords to just opt out of Renting their abodes (because they can't or dont want to afford the costs of elec/water/repair against a smaller rent-income), thus reducing the available rent homes whilst also decaying the construction industry, because rentcaps might destroy their profit capacity, thus less less new flats are being built, causing even further apartment shortages in a choking city!
The majority of new farmers will thus either operate increasingly smaller farmlands than their parents, or just opt out of the agricultural sector of Bongland, which might even gonna be increasingly bought by multinational corporations, which are the only institutions capable of affording such exorbitant taxes.
I'm not here to tell Bongs to be happy with the centuries old classism or that Old Blood have disproportionate ownership in land, including farm land.
I'm merely warning that that this road to heck is paved by REALLY shortsighted good intentions. Middle class farmers, and the food producers which bring food to your shopping markets, will be hurt far more than Uber rich dodging taxexs
I do not know definitively what such policy would hearken, maybe I might even be wrong, and this would bring in wealth to fund Bong healthcare and shit - but i have seen such policies in Safrica have unintended disastrous downstream effects
Never understood this plebbitor take where they attempt to argue for anti-capitalist measures by calling government subsidies to major industries communist/socialist. Libertarians don't give a frick about people paying their "fair share" of taxes, and government subsidies aren't communism or socialism either. It's makes 0 sense from every angle, making it profoundly r-slurred.
It's a take shilled by braindead neolibs and neolibs pretending to be socialists who are too stupid to understand their own theory. The purpose of taxation is for the sake of deflation and guiding social policy, not to extract some "fair share" to "redistribute" back to the lower classes. Gibs to the masses don't come from taxes pulled out of a giant federal piggy bank, they are just instantly created whenever the government writes a check for something. Taxing independent farmers and taking away subsidies on their overall property achieves none of these goals and just makes megacorporations stronger while making food shittier and more expensive.
Yeah sure all that whining about "muh tax dodgers" and farmers being a "favoured group" definitely has nothing to do with misguided opinions about fairness and wealth redistribution.
Raising taxes on farmers does more harm than good, literally every developed country on Earth gives generous subsidies and tax breaks for their farmers. Only Zimbabwe-tier idiots think otherwise.
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1st conquest law lol
the same applies to all other capital holders. It's not like Bezos actually has billions of dollars that he swims in, he owns a massive company that invested a lot of money into itself, but if you tried to sell their assets they wouldn't be worth half of that.
Capital taxes are just r-slurred. There's a reason commie nordics who tried it backtracked after some years. Another way to damage the economy by the unproductive, jealous r-slurs who'd rather steal someone else's bread than think how to earn their own.
Yeah a lot of people don't realize farmers have thin profit margins. This all sounds familiar to what I hear from Kansoids since the majority of them inherited farmland from pee-pa and wouldn't be able to farm without it.
I DONT deny wealthy Bongs using this loophole to avoid taxes, but the median farmer, will suffer overwhelmingly disproportionately from this directive.
So many leftist ideas follow this same pattern — they think it'll hurt the rich but it ends up effecting normal people first while the rich have more wiggle room.
Its same in elsewhere in europe. People outwardly see the huge machinery and farms and think they must be filthy rich without realising the farmers are in six to seven figure debt due to those investments that'll take several decades to clear. Small farms have already died excluding ones that do specialty things as scaling up is the only way to play with the small margins.
In particular white-collar urbanite yuropoors want to take away farmers' price protections and tax breaks while instituting expensive environmental regulations because to them food just manifests itself in grocery stores and restaurants. They just see the government giving money to chuds and sneed. Honestly their attitude towards farmers' gibs should instead be aimed at green policy gibs instead.
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That is why Blackrock should own it
They should be able to build Villas and expensive plastic factories that leak raw material into the drinking water of the people
Umm akshully sweaty good government policy to is rampant asset price inflation caused by being an international money laundering hub and using oppressive taxes to ensure that native populations are dispossessed of all assets in order to generate tax revenue needed to support an imported 3rd world criminal class that prevents community formation and any risk of democratic forces overturning uniparty power
They are property wealthy, but not finance wealthy, which are different things - meaning the land they own puts them above the average rentoid Bong, but only in so as the value of their farmland. The average farmer would quite literally not even be able to buy their own land from their own median earnings, and would only have been able to acquire it through hereditary means
You see the same thing in Canada, especially now with land prices sky rocketing. People don't believe me when I tell them "No that fat guy drinking a beer in traffic as he sits in his 22 year old shitbox pickup is actually a millionaire."
Meaning the farmers are stuck at farming as it is their land is their only worthy asset, which appreciates yearly like the runaway House prices in london, but does not do so proportionally in terms of their produce value - meaning the land gets more "valuable" but the actual produce capacity does not!
The year over year increase in my families farm value is more than the farm nets.
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Thing is my understanding of Bong farmers, they are not really in the class of wealthy landlords as you might think - they have significantly less farm areas than even Safrican farmers (because Bongland is much smaller), whilst also having to adhere to significantly more regulations, often operating under small margins
They are property wealthy, but not finance wealthy, which are different things - meaning the land they own puts them above the average rentoid Bong, but only in so as the value of their farmland. The average farmer would quite literally not even be able to buy their own land from their own median earnings, and would only have been able to acquire it through hereditary means
Meaning the farmers are stuck at farming as it is their land is their only worthy asset, which appreciates yearly like the runaway House prices in london, but does not do so proportionally in terms of their produce value - meaning the land gets more "valuable" but the actual produce capacity does not!
In other words the capacity for the median farmer to buy land via their own generative farming production, diminishes yearly, which is insane!
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Sounds like leftists are again failing to understand the difference between someone having x amount in net worth vs having that amount of actual cash that could be paid to a tax man.
Also another case of leftists being happy that big businesses will inevitably be the ones to buy up all the whatnot
Also the defenders complaining about how all the farmers must be secretly rich just sounds like a very Reddit tier argument. Going as far back as 2012 when Redditors had a real hard on for the idea of socialism and the "Nordic model" and blah blah blah, I remember it wasn't uncommon to run into Castro simps (lmao) who claimed every last person who fled Cuba was really just a rich landlord kulak that wouldn't pay their fair share
Yeah, all those people fleeing into the Caribbean on floating doors were wealthy colonial landlords, every one of them 
It's an automatic leftist cope to try and pretend like a really bad economic idea isn't effecting entirely normal people.
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@newport has bearing, which is why i harp on about the difference in proportion to land value and it's production capability value, and how the comment of 
@Geniud2 is the constant response of that and leftwing governments
I do not deny that Bong farmers are often wealthy, or in the very least solid middle-class/or well off. But the median Bonglish farmer is far from some untapped goldmine waiting to be plundered for their hidden pot of gold
I forgot the stats i once saw, but something for farmer's land (discounting other shit like urban ownership), ownership title deed transference was due to 70% inheretence, which might paint the picture of old bue blood keeping land wealth in a circle, but also that majority of farming used land is mostly transferred via families.
Now what leftists fail to realize is that the median Bong famer operates on small financial margins, even if in name they could be millionares in land valuation, meaning that the only asset they have is the land, and the only manner in which as
@newport said could pay off such vast inheretence tax is via selling off portions of their land, which is continuously disproportionate from it's production value.
This creates the threat of choking to death the future of agriculture in Bonfland - because farming is a very hard and hazardous undertaking, and few outside those growing up in a farming household or background are willing to endure the yearly uncertainty of crop farming. It takes a hardened mentality to undertake farming, and you seldom see urban dwellers flocking to open farms. How many Tech CEOs do you see flocking to rural regions, leaving the comfort of their London estates, to burn in the sun, and choke in the dust of their tractors. Farmers often earn more, for the same reasons difficult occupations like Oil Riggers earn more.
The current agricultural sector of Bongland is a stable tax base, and the choking of future potential or upcoming farmers via such draconian and stifling inheretance tax, might be akin to shortsighted taxation "greed" by a leftwing government which i think cannot see the long term value of such a tax base, while being blinded by the notion of Uber rich buying land to avoid taxes
I DONT deny wealthy Bongs using this loophole to avoid taxes, but the median farmer, will suffer overwhelmingly disproportionately from this directive.
I feel it's the equivalent of having a rent cap in left wing cities, who fail to realize it has downstream negative effects - like causing small landlords to just opt out of Renting their abodes (because they can't or dont want to afford the costs of elec/water/repair against a smaller rent-income), thus reducing the available rent homes whilst also decaying the construction industry, because rentcaps might destroy their profit capacity, thus less less new flats are being built, causing even further apartment shortages in a choking city!
The majority of new farmers will thus either operate increasingly smaller farmlands than their parents, or just opt out of the agricultural sector of Bongland, which might even gonna be increasingly bought by multinational corporations, which are the only institutions capable of affording such exorbitant taxes.
I'm not here to tell Bongs to be happy with the centuries old classism or that Old Blood have disproportionate ownership in land, including farm land.
I'm merely warning that that this road to heck is paved by REALLY shortsighted good intentions. Middle class farmers, and the food producers which bring food to your shopping markets, will be hurt far more than Uber rich dodging taxexs
I do not know definitively what such policy would hearken, maybe I might even be wrong, and this would bring in wealth to fund Bong healthcare and shit - but i have seen such policies in Safrica have unintended disastrous downstream effects
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hate rich tax dodgers. want special tax breaks for rich farmers
farmers are dirt poor. they're also a super valuable asset for the treasury
hate commies distorting markets with rent cals. want to distort taxes for favoured group
the work is so hard
agriculture will die
commie nonsense. farmers WILL be dragged kicking and screaming into the capitalist future. the gibs WILL end
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because it's genetic
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Never understood this plebbitor take where they attempt to argue for anti-capitalist measures by calling government subsidies to major industries communist/socialist. Libertarians don't give a frick about people paying their "fair share" of taxes, and government subsidies aren't communism or socialism either. It's makes 0 sense from every angle, making it profoundly r-slurred.
It's a take shilled by braindead neolibs and neolibs pretending to be socialists who are too stupid to understand their own theory. The purpose of taxation is for the sake of deflation and guiding social policy, not to extract some "fair share" to "redistribute" back to the lower classes. Gibs to the masses don't come from taxes pulled out of a giant federal piggy bank, they are just instantly created whenever the government writes a check for something. Taxing independent farmers and taking away subsidies on their overall property achieves none of these goals and just makes megacorporations stronger while making food shittier and more expensive.
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i never said anything about fairness and taxxing indigenous farmerinos does none of those things
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Yeah sure all that whining about "muh tax dodgers" and farmers being a "favoured group" definitely has nothing to do with misguided opinions about fairness and wealth redistribution.
Raising taxes on farmers does more harm than good, literally every developed country on Earth gives generous subsidies and tax breaks for their farmers. Only Zimbabwe-tier idiots think otherwise.
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1st conquest law lol
the same applies to all other capital holders. It's not like Bezos actually has billions of dollars that he swims in, he owns a massive company that invested a lot of money into itself, but if you tried to sell their assets they wouldn't be worth half of that.
Capital taxes are just r-slurred. There's a reason commie nordics who tried it backtracked after some years. Another way to damage the economy by the unproductive, jealous r-slurs who'd rather steal someone else's bread than think how to earn their own.
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Yeah a lot of people don't realize farmers have thin profit margins. This all sounds familiar to what I hear from Kansoids
since the majority of them inherited farmland from pee-pa and wouldn't be able to farm without it.
So many leftist ideas follow this same pattern — they think it'll hurt the rich but it ends up effecting normal people first while the rich have more wiggle room.
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Its same in elsewhere in europe. People outwardly see the huge machinery and farms and think they must be filthy rich without realising the farmers are in six to seven figure debt due to those investments that'll take several decades to clear. Small farms have already died excluding ones that do specialty things as scaling up is the only way to play with the small margins.
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In particular white-collar urbanite yuropoors want to take away farmers' price protections and tax breaks while instituting expensive environmental regulations because to them food just manifests itself in grocery stores and restaurants. They just see the government giving money to chuds and sneed. Honestly their attitude towards farmers' gibs should instead be aimed at green policy gibs instead.
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Only landed lords and gentlemen should have land in the first place
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That is why Blackrock should own it
They should be able to build Villas and expensive plastic factories that leak raw material into the drinking water of the people
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Or raze the land, cover it in concrete, and build a Walmart!
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sell then and take advantage of ur land going massively up in value despite doing nothing
are farmers r-slurred? something in the fertilizer?
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Think a little harder on this one friend.
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Umm akshully sweaty good government policy to is rampant asset price inflation caused by being an international money laundering hub and using oppressive taxes to ensure that native populations are dispossessed of all assets in order to generate tax revenue needed to support an imported 3rd world criminal class that prevents community formation and any risk of democratic forces overturning uniparty power
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You see the same thing in Canada, especially now with land prices sky rocketing. People don't believe me when I tell them "No that fat guy drinking a beer in traffic as he sits in his 22 year old shitbox pickup is actually a millionaire."
The year over year increase in my families farm value is more than the farm nets.
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Blackrock disagrees
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But there was already /r/LoveForLandlords?
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We already do:
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