What is your opinion on the Shroud of Turin?

I hate it when I lie down on a bedsheet and a photocopy of me is left imprinted on the sheets

Radiocarbon dating is way way more complicated than popular media ever lets on and you've got to be very cautious when using it in archaeology. (I think it's probably way more useful for fossils but maybe that's just the Murray Gell-Mann effect.)

On the other hand, as @Alliteration says, how does this just suddenly appear out of nowhere? Other relics at least are claimed to have some chain of custody. Like the bones of St. Nicholas in Bari where they can trace back when and where they originally came from.

The only answers can come from testing it again. The issues with the last tests and their refusal to do more is enough to ignore it.

There is some evidence that it could be an early attempt at photography. Thats the only explanation ive heard that holds water.

It's certainly interesting. I'd like to know how they faked it if it's fake

I don't put a lot of stock into it personally but I do find it funny that people are shocked that a middle eastern person from that region looks middle eastern.

The Syrian actor from the Chosen looks a lot like him.

Cool if true, but most likely fake.

1. Either Real

2. Or monk invented photography 800 years ago

schizos kept filling my twitter feed with ai generated jesus pics because of it. frick that c*m rag its fake anyways.

So the carbon dating must be ignored because it is a rethreading of the corner that was tested, but the absence of vanillin is evidence of older dating? So why is vanillin missing on the supposed rethreaded area too? "well, the was a fire, and it only burned the fringes" lmao. What about the even younger dyeing? "Well that proves repair and restoration". The state of shroudcels.

The historical record of the shroud did it for me.

Put asides all scientific tests, the first historical reference of the shroud is in 1390 AD in France by a bishop claiming it is a forgery and also claiming to know the artist having made the shroud.

I just don't buy that a 1st century eastern shroud that should be one of the holiest relics of christendom just randomly appears in western europe after 1300 years. Just as the cult of relics starts to really pick up.

I don't think anyone's faith in the authenticity of individual relics should be a central focus or obsession given that some have been discovered fabricated, but as @Geralt_of_Uganda and I were discussing on this thread in the top comment chain last week I think there are solid reasons to not dismiss it solely from the carbon dating performed on fragments at the edges of the Shroud decades ago. Go upmarsey his comment and @GOCK4LYF_HIGHtil_iDie's tweet that took over the thread lol.

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