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Women have found a way to convince the Pope to allow women into the priesthood: constant nagging and speaking over the Pope

https://catholicherald.co.uk/women-priests-activists-disrupt-papal-mass/

"Evil must not be hidden, it must be in the open, discovered, as some of the abused did with courage … so that the abuser is judged, whether they be a layman or a laywoman, a priest or a bishop, that they be judged. The word of God is clear."

That language drew applause, but on another front, the Pope's treatment of the role of women in the Church, some Belgians weren't so pleased.

During the Sunday Mass, every time a woman took the microphone, some women in the crowd stood dressed in white as a protest over the refusal to ordain female priests.

The gesture came a day after the Catholic University of Louvain publicly upbraided Francis for expressing positions on the role of women it called "deterministic and reductive".

Remember how women on twitter were saying that they don't want to infiltrate all the male-only spaces :marseyeyeroll:

He also condemned instances when "a woman wants to be a man" – remarks that drew criticism from the university itself, and from students in attendance.

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Woman, am I right, fellas?


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They are yeah. Pope Francis has said some things that became poor soundbytes when paraphrased and abused by the media but calling him a heretic/V2 an ecumenical council false teaching/whatever is worse. Dealing with left wing heretics is logistically a different beast because it would require excommunicating half of Europe and starting a new Reformation.

It's also worth noting that the expanded Latin Mass scene was opened up in an attempt to bring existing schismatics in the SSPX, CMRI, etc. back to full communion with Rome but instead has served to accomplish the opposite and normalize attitudes of being the "true Church within the Church" at best and open disobedience/schism at worst. @misterwigger

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It's also worth noting that the expanded Latin :marseydayofthedead: Mass scene :marseyarthoe6: was opened up in an attempt :marseychonkersuicide: to bring existing schismatics in the SSPX, CMRI, etc. back to full communion with Rome

Could you go into more detail on this?

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That part of Trad history is straightforward. Immediately after V2 a Bishop and a bunch of priests broke communion with Rome and were excommunicated by St. Pope John Paul II. Their movement grew rather than shrunk, Popes instead decided to offer them the ability to come back into communion with their own private Order with permanent rights to offer the Latin Mass (FSSP is former SSPX) and tried to initiate dialogue.

Each attempt has failed, the problem has spiraled and schismatics dominate the discourse on most social media, Pope Francis says enough and shuts down the Diocesan TLM activity to try to avoid breeding a generation of radicalized zoomers/gen alphas.

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I thought :marseymindblown: the old school :marseygrad: mass was still allowed? Are they completely not in communion? Have their own pope and everything?

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Diocesan TLM is generally being shut down, at least in the USA the ones continuing have been told they can't advertise for Latin services. FSSP, ICKSP, and the several other Societies devoted to the Latin Mass are likely to be allowed to continue as is. Societies like that are under the direct supervision of their own Bishop and Rome as opposed to the diocesan Bishop (whose authority is limited to granting them permission to operate in their area or not).

SSPX, CMRI, and the other "Rad Trads" are not in full communion in the sense that they openly disobey any and all commands from Rome, though some of these groups will make gestures towards it e.g. including mention of Pope Francis during the Consecration.

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Why are people so invested in doing mass in latin or not? It's strange to use a dead language to me, but it doesn't seem like a big deal

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Catholicism recognizes three equal authorities in matters of faith - Scripture, the Magisterium, and Tradition. Latin has been the official language of the Church since the 4th century with St. Jerome's Vulgate being the official translation for the entire Church for almost 1500 years. The inscriptions on the Holy Cross proclaiming Jesus Christ as King of Kings and Lord of Lords in His Crucifixion were, per the Gospels, also in three languages: Hebrew, Greek, and Latin.


As far as the inner Church politics it's not so much about the liturgical language (that's the narrative at the level of the laity, and understandably many old people including Tolkien were very upset when the Mass changed suddenly overnight) and is instead much more about a shift from the "Popes Pius" (IX-XII) era of neo-Scholasticism and a moral theology centered around St. Alphonsus Liguori towards a Church in open dialogue with the modern world, with the Eastern Christians, and to a lesser extent with the Protestants as well.

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Your thorough historical knowledge on Catholicism is always impressive

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About six or seven years ago when I returned to practicing my faith it kinda struck me that if Jesus was truly God and the Church founded by Him, nothing else can possibly be more important. :marseykneel: I'm somewhere above the average Catholic but below a true expert and anyone claiming to have thorough knowledge of 2000 years of history would be lying :marseypinocchio2: but I appreciate your kind words. This is the one subject you'll reliably get me to be serious and find sources if I don't have an answer off the top of my head.

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BECAUSE LATIN IS FVCKING COOL

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This is the real reason, isn't it

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THINK OF A DVMB PHRASE

GOOGLE TRANSLATE IT INTO LATIN

SLOWLY CHANT IT THREE TIMES

BADASS RIGHT

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The Latin Mass is not just "saying mass but using Latin", it's a whole different liturgy/ceremony, with chanting and stuff that doesn't exist in modern Novus Ordo masses. they like it because it feels more religious to them I guess. personally I understand the way they feel about it because it does feel a lot more mystical and spiritual, but they take it way too far by outright trashing modern mass which isn't nearly as bad as they say it is. they constantly insult the music that gets sung in mass nowadays but when I was growing up I loved those songs, a lot of people like the music in Novus Ordo and there's nothing wrong with that.

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The people who trash Novus Ordo act like the Pharisees (which is very comparable to the Puritans in Protestantism) they act like they are superior based on what they think rather than how God works.

Matthew 23:13-36

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Matthew 23:13-36

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and as a pretense you make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation. "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men; for you don't enter in yourselves, neither do you allow those who are entering in to enter.{Some Greek manuscripts reverse the order of verses 13 and 14, and some omit verse 13, numbering verse 14 as 13.} Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel around by sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much of a son of Gehenna as yourselves. "Woe to you, you blind guides, who say, 'Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obligated.' You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifies the gold? 'Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obligated.' You blind fools! For which is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifies the gift? He therefore who swears by the altar, swears by it, and by everything on it. He who swears by the temple, swears by it, and by him who was living in it. He who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God, and by him who sits on it. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin,{ cumin is an aromatic seed from Cuminum cyminum, resembling caraway in flavor and appearance. It is used as a spice.} and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone. You blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel! "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and unrighteousness.{TR reads "self-indulgence" instead of "unrighteousness"} You blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the platter, that the outside of it may become clean also. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitened tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but inwardly are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets, and decorate the tombs of the righteous, and say, 'If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we wouldn't have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.' Therefore you testify to yourselves that you are children of those who killed the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. You serpents, you offspring of vipers, how will you escape the judgment of Gehenna? Therefore, behold, I send to you prophets, wise men, and scribes. Some of them you will kill and crucify; and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city; that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom you killed between the sanctuary and the altar. Most assuredly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.

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