"Evil must not be hidden, it must be in the open, discovered, as some of the abused did with courage … so that the abuser is judged, whether they be a layman or a laywoman, a priest or a bishop, that they be judged. The word of God is clear."
That language drew applause, but on another front, the Pope's treatment of the role of women in the Church, some Belgians weren't so pleased.
During the Sunday Mass, every time a woman took the microphone, some women in the crowd stood dressed in white as a protest over the refusal to ordain female priests.
The gesture came a day after the Catholic University of Louvain publicly upbraided Francis for expressing positions on the role of women it called "deterministic and reductive".
Remember how women on twitter were saying that they don't want to infiltrate all the male-only spaces
He also condemned instances when "a woman wants to be a man" – remarks that drew criticism from the university itself, and from students in attendance.
Woman, am I right, fellas?
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They are yeah. Pope Francis has said some things that became poor soundbytes when paraphrased and abused by the media but calling him a heretic/V2 an ecumenical council false teaching/whatever is worse. Dealing with left wing heretics is logistically a different beast because it would require excommunicating half of Europe and starting a new Reformation.
It's also worth noting that the expanded Latin Mass scene was opened up in an attempt to bring existing schismatics in the SSPX, CMRI, etc. back to full communion with Rome but instead has served to accomplish the opposite and normalize attitudes of being the "true Church within the Church" at best and open disobedience/schism at worst. @misterwigger
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Could you go into more detail on this?
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That part of Trad history is straightforward. Immediately after V2 a Bishop and a bunch of priests broke communion with Rome and were excommunicated by St. Pope John Paul II. Their movement grew rather than shrunk, Popes instead decided to offer them the ability to come back into communion with their own private Order with permanent rights to offer the Latin Mass (FSSP is former SSPX) and tried to initiate dialogue.
Each attempt has failed, the problem has spiraled and schismatics dominate the discourse on most social media, Pope Francis says enough and shuts down the Diocesan TLM activity to try to avoid breeding a generation of radicalized zoomers/gen alphas.
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I thought the old school mass was still allowed? Are they completely not in communion? Have their own pope and everything?
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Diocesan TLM is generally being shut down, at least in the USA the ones continuing have been told they can't advertise for Latin services. FSSP, ICKSP, and the several other Societies devoted to the Latin Mass are likely to be allowed to continue as is. Societies like that are under the direct supervision of their own Bishop and Rome as opposed to the diocesan Bishop (whose authority is limited to granting them permission to operate in their area or not).
SSPX, CMRI, and the other "Rad Trads" are not in full communion in the sense that they openly disobey any and all commands from Rome, though some of these groups will make gestures towards it e.g. including mention of Pope Francis during the Consecration.
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Why are people so invested in doing mass in latin or not? It's strange to use a dead language to me, but it doesn't seem like a big deal
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The Latin Mass is not just "saying mass but using Latin", it's a whole different liturgy/ceremony, with chanting and stuff that doesn't exist in modern Novus Ordo masses. they like it because it feels more religious to them I guess. personally I understand the way they feel about it because it does feel a lot more mystical and spiritual, but they take it way too far by outright trashing modern mass which isn't nearly as bad as they say it is. they constantly insult the music that gets sung in mass nowadays but when I was growing up I loved those songs, a lot of people like the music in Novus Ordo and there's nothing wrong with that.
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The people who trash Novus Ordo act like the Pharisees (which is very comparable to the Puritans in Protestantism) they act like they are superior based on what they think rather than how God works.
Matthew 23:13-36
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Matthew 23:13-36
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BECAUSE LATIN IS FVCKING COOL
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This is the real reason, isn't it
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THINK OF A DVMB PHRASE
GOOGLE TRANSLATE IT INTO LATIN
SLOWLY CHANT IT THREE TIMES
BADASS RIGHT
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Catholicism recognizes three equal authorities in matters of faith - Scripture, the Magisterium, and Tradition. Latin has been the official language of the Church since the 4th century with St. Jerome's Vulgate being the official translation for the entire Church for almost 1500 years. The inscriptions on the Holy Cross proclaiming Jesus Christ as King of Kings and Lord of Lords in His Crucifixion were, per the Gospels, also in three languages: Hebrew, Greek, and Latin.
As far as the inner Church politics it's not so much about the liturgical language (that's the narrative at the level of the laity, and understandably many old people including Tolkien were very upset when the Mass changed suddenly overnight) and is instead much more about a shift from the "Popes Pius" (IX-XII) era of neo-Scholasticism and a moral theology centered around St. Alphonsus Liguori towards a Church in open dialogue with the modern world, with the Eastern Christians, and to a lesser extent with the Protestants as well.
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Your thorough historical knowledge on Catholicism is always impressive
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About six or seven years ago when I returned to practicing my faith it kinda struck me that if Jesus was truly God and the Church founded by Him, nothing else can possibly be more important. I'm somewhere above the average Catholic but below a true expert and anyone claiming to have thorough knowledge of 2000 years of history would be lying but I appreciate your kind words. This is the one subject you'll reliably get me to be serious and find sources if I don't have an answer off the top of my head.
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