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Weekly Mass Discussion Thread #69.5

!catholics !christians Happy Solemnity of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God!

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First Reading

The LORD said to Moses:

"Speak to Aaron and his sons and tell them:

This is how you shall bless the Israelites.

Say to them:

The LORD bless you and keep you!

The LORD let his face shine upon

you, and be gracious to you!

The LORD look upon you kindly and

give you peace!

So shall they invoke my name upon the Israelites,

and I will bless them."

-Numbers 6:22-27

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Responsorial Psalm

R. (2a) May God bless us in his mercy.

May God have pity on us and bless us;

may he let his face shine upon us.

So may your way be known upon earth;

among all nations, your salvation.

R. May God bless us in his mercy.

May the nations be glad and exult

because you rule the peoples in equity;

the nations on the earth you guide.

R. May God bless us in his mercy.

May the peoples praise you, O God;

may all the peoples praise you!

May God bless us,

and may all the ends of the earth fear him!

R. May God bless us in his mercy.

-Psalms 67:2-3, 5, 6, 8

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Second Reading

Brothers and sisters:

When the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son,

born of a woman, born under the law,

to ransom those under the law,

so that we might receive adoption as sons.

As proof that you are sons,

God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts,

crying out, "Abba, Father!"

So you are no longer a slave but a son,

and if a son then also an heir, through God.

-Galatians 4:4-7

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Alleluia

R. Alleluia, alleluia.

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets;

in these last days, he has spoken to us through the Son.

R. Alleluia, alleluia.

-Hebrews 1:1-2

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Gospel

The shepherds went in haste to Bethlehem and found Mary and Joseph,

and the infant lying in the manger.

When they saw this,

they made known the message

that had been told them about this child.

All who heard it were amazed

by what had been told them by the shepherds.

And Mary kept all these things,

reflecting on them in her heart.

Then the shepherds returned,

glorifying and praising God

for all they had heard and seen,

just as it had been told to them.

When eight days were completed for his circumcision,

he was named Jesus, the name given him by the angel

before he was conceived in the womb.

-Luke 2:16-21

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A question many Protestants have for Catholics is why do we hold Mary in such high regard; why do we pray to her and honor her as the Queen of Heaven? For one, we believe that she was born without Original Sin and never sinned throughout her life, as a sinful woman would not have been able to bear Jesus as her child. Speaking of bearing Jesus as her child, Mary was literally Jesus' mother. Jesus had to learn to walk and to talk and all the other things young humans must- Mary was there to do so. She had more time with Jesus than anyone else, which makes her exceptionally holy once more. At his Crucifixion, Jesus entrusted Mary into John's care, which shows that He was particularly concerned with her well-being, wanting to ensure she was not left alone after His death. Now, as to why we view her as the Queen to Jesus' King is because in ancient Israel, the queen was the king's mother. If that is the royal structure provided by God for Earth, is it not so strange to believe that God would provide a similar structure for Heaven? As for the topic of praying to Mary, and to other saints for that matter, that is not to put idols before God, but rather to exalt God. How does one raise up He who is already Most High? By lowering oneself. The purpose of praying for saints to intercede on your behalf is to say that you are unworthy of directly asking God for anything, and thus it is wise to ask for the help of someone holier than yourself in making your case. Mary is a very good person to pray to because of her uniquely close relationship with Jesus.

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nobody ever engages with these posts, why pin them

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Because it's the moral thing to do

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Discoverability?

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Are the other weekly posts pinned because they get engagement, or are they pinned in hopes of fostering engagement?

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yes and yes

yours never get any engagement, even after we pin them https://rdrama.net/search/posts?q=Weekly+Mass+Discussion+Thread

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:marseypipe: probably because I'm the only person here who goes to church

@Penny would've loved these threads. :marseygiveup:

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probably because I'm the only person here who goes to church

Well, that's uncalled for, I go (almost) every Sunday. And there are much more diligent people here than me.

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Poles aren't people.

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:#grr:

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No one on Earth can love Jesus more than Mary, since she loved Jesus as God and as her son. The priest was talking about one of her appearances and the person asked her why are you so beautiful, she replied it's because of love.

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Numbers 6:22-27

Tʜᴇ Lᴏʀᴅ spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to Aaron and to his sons, saying, 'This is how you shall bless the children of Israel.' You shall tell them, 'Tʜᴇ Lᴏʀᴅ bless you, and keep you. Tʜᴇ Lᴏʀᴅ make his face to shine on you, And be gracious to you. Tʜᴇ Lᴏʀᴅ lift up his face toward you, And give you peace.' "So they shall put my name on the children of Israel; and I will bless them."

Psalms 67:2-3

That your way may be known on earth, And your salvation among all nations, Let the peoples praise you, God. Let all the peoples praise you.

Galatians 4:4-7

But when the fullness of the time came, God sent out his Son, born to a woman, born under the law, that he might redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of children. And because you are children, God sent out the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, "Abba,{Abba is a Greek spelling for the Chaldee word for "Father" or "Daddy" used in a familiar, respectful, and loving way.} Father!" So you are no longer a bondservant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Hebrews 1:1-2

God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds.

Luke 2:16-21

They came with haste, and found both Mary and Joseph, and the baby was lying in the feeding trough. When they saw it, they publicized widely the saying which was spoken to them about this child. All who heard it wondered at the things which were spoken to them by the shepherds. But Mary kept all these sayings, pondering them in her heart. The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, just as it was told them. When eight days were fulfilled for the circumcision of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

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Numbers 6:22-27

Tʜᴇ Lᴏʀᴅ spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to Aaron and to his sons, saying, 'This is how you shall bless the children of Israel.' You shall tell them, 'Tʜᴇ Lᴏʀᴅ bless you, and keep you. Tʜᴇ Lᴏʀᴅ make his face to shine on you, And be gracious to you. Tʜᴇ Lᴏʀᴅ lift up his face toward you, And give you peace.' "So they shall put my name on the children of Israel; and I will bless them."

Psalms 67:2-3

That your way may be known on earth, And your salvation among all nations, Let the peoples praise you, God. Let all the peoples praise you.

Galatians 4:4-7

But when the fullness of the time came, God sent out his Son, born to a woman, born under the law, that he might redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of children. And because you are children, God sent out the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, "Abba,{Abba is a Greek spelling for the Chaldee word for "Father" or "Daddy" used in a familiar, respectful, and loving way.} Father!" So you are no longer a bondservant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Hebrews 1:1-2

God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds.

Luke 2:16-21

They came with haste, and found both Mary and Joseph, and the baby was lying in the feeding trough. When they saw it, they publicized widely the saying which was spoken to them about this child. All who heard it wondered at the things which were spoken to them by the shepherds. But Mary kept all these sayings, pondering them in her heart. The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, just as it was told them. When eight days were fulfilled for the circumcision of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

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"Abba Moses asked Abba Silvanus, 'Can a man lay a new foundation every day?' The old man said, 'If he works hard, he can lay a new foundation at every moment.'"

"A brother came to see Abba Macarius the Egyptian, and said to him, 'Abba, give me a word, that I may be saved.' So the old man said, 'Go to the cemetery and abuse the dead.' The brother went there, abused them and threw stones at them; then he returned and told the old man about it. The latter said to him, 'Didn't they say anything to you?' He replied, 'No.' The old man said, 'Go back tomorrow and praise them.' So the brother went away and praised them, calling them, 'Apostles, saints and righteous men.' He returned to the old man and said to him, 'I have complimented them.' And the old man said to him, 'Did they not answer you?' The brother said no. The old man said to him, 'You know how you insulted them and they did not reply, and how you praised them and they did not speak; so you too if you wish to be saved must do the same and become a dead man. Like the dead, take no account of either the scorn of men or their praises, and you can be saved.'"

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