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[tw: longpost] These :marseylibright: R-slurs are Gonna Get Kratom Banned :sharkyglow:

Like many savvy drugchads, :marseykingretard: I use kratom a few times a week in lieu of drinking. :marseydrunk: I find it works very well for this purpose, and my weekly alcohol :marseyjunkie2: consumption is far lower than it used to be. For the uninitiated kratom is a plant native to Southeast Asia :marseychingchong: that produces mild opiate-like effects when ingested, and is at the moment federally unregulated. As far as I know it cannot be converted into an injectable :marseymaid3: or insufflatable form which limits its abuse potential, though it does have non-zero addiction liability. The last time I picked up some kratom capsules :marseypills: from my friendly neighborhood head :marseyrasta: shop, I was offered a free :marseyrentfree: sample of a kava+kratom combination supplement :marseyjones: drink. I have only tried kava once previously many years ago so I thought what the heck, :marseyavril1: might as well. Kava is some kind of "sociability enhancement" plant extract from the South Pacific :marseylongsurfing: that I don't know a whole lot about, other than that it is generally considered non-addictive (unlike kratom). It was a Botanic Tonics "Feel Free" 2oz :!marseyshooting: shot. The label does not break down doses per drug beyond 2600mg of "proprietary blend" per 1oz serving.:marseysus:

I found this odd :marseybeanquestion: enough to warrant googling :marseyinvestigate: the product before consuming it, and I found I was not alone in my concern :marseytinfoil2: about the vague label. Much more worryingly, nearly every long term user report on this product claims it is ludicrously addictive. :marseyjunkie:

This :marseysnoo: post is probably the most extensive,:marseylong2:though there are others I will omit for brevity: https://old.reddit.com/r/kavakava/comments/t5wxtx/any_personal_thoughtsexperience_with_botanic/

Dozens of reddit comment chains :marseywords: detailing 10+ bottle/day dependence (so, what, 50g+ of kratom effective dose? :marseyishygddt:) and comparisons to heroin. :marseyjunkie: Consumption of kratom in quantities this extreme :marseysamhyde2: is normally difficult-to-impossible to achieve with traditional powdered plant kratom; you'll vomit :marseypuke: before you get anywhere near that amount. Unlike kratom by itself*, kava is immediately dangerous :marseyill: to consume in excess quantities on a regular basis so there are reports of addicts experiencing :marseybedsick: liver and skin problems as a result. Amidst the flailing and lamenting and speculation :marseyschizowall: about unlisted dangerous additives, some blame :marseynoyou: users and addicts for not doing enough research on kratom before getting hooked on this supplement :marseyindignant: chalking all of the dramatic :marseypearlclutch: reports up to normal :marseychartgaussian: kratom effects. More on this later.

*still a bad idea, this is pretty deep into addict territory even if it won't necessarily hospitalize :marseyplaguedoctor: you on its own so long as you don't have a metabolic disorder

Someone created a support group :npcsupport: sub for addicts just a few days ago: https://old.reddit.com/r/Quittingfeelfree/

The support sub is pretty amateur-hour, :marseygigaretard: but contains some additional key information. Users claim it has been marketed to young adults :marseyzoomer: and college students as an alcohol alternative (fair enough, a lot of people use kratom for this purpose including myself), often by social media (((influencer))) :marseybluecheck: types. Their website also lists some official(?) endorsements from some pretty big name :marseycoonass: schools. Users claim its availability is not limited to smoke shops, and that it can be found at 7-11s :marseytunaktunak: nationwide (any millennial dramanauts remember k2 and how that ended up working out? :marseybowl::marseydead::marseyshutitdown::marseycop:). User photos reveal that the label/formula has changed at least once, :marseymeds: from 3500mg down to 2600mg. The product entered the market :marseystocksup: right around a year ago, :marseycapy2022: and the company behind it has had comments on their social media profiles disabled :marseyamogus: for an unknown length of time.

Most critically: :marseymisinformation: none of the marketing for this product mentions that it contains kratom. It is marketed as a kava-only supplement. Normies :marseyregular: are buying this stuff without knowing about the kratom content, much less what kratom is :marseyclueless: and how to use it safely, :marseykys2: and then being surprised that it is :marseyaware: habit-forming. The only reference to kratom in any of their officially :bluehelmet: published content is the ingredients list label on the bottles and the screenshot :marseyprojection: of the same label on their website FAQ. Their website (which I won't link but is easily googleable) offers subscription services :marseybangfast: for the stuff, indicating they know darn well :marseyrapscallion: what they're doing. I would not have guessed that it contained any kratom when observing it on the store shelf, and I would have avoided :marseynope: it under the assumption that it was a snake :marseysnek: oil supplement if not for the smoke :marseyjoint: shop employee explaining :marseyakshually: that it contains kratom.

I have to give these guys credit for pulling off a Juul-tier :marseyvapecrying: heist so far. Exploitation of unregulated addictive substances on this scale :marseyobesescale: is not easy to pull off. The bottles retail for $10 :marseycapitalistmanlet: each. The problem is that this :marseyfine: will inevitably result in a blanket ban :marseyban: on kratom when someone at the NYT :marseyjourno: catches wind and writes a thinkpiece on how teh poor (college-aged) :marseygrad: childwenz :marseybib: are getting hooked on this evil :marseyevilgrin: dwug.

I took half of the bottle while writing :marseylongpost: this, and other than taking effect a lot faster :marseytwerkingfast: than I'm used to (~10 minutes vs 30-45+ minutes :marseytime: depending on my stomach contents) it feels pretty much exactly like normal kratom. IIRC shorter :marseymanlet: onset times correlate :marseychartscatter: with greater addiction liability, so that may explain some of the hysteria over this. I dunno. All I do know is I'm gonna be really frickin buttmad :marseyrage: when this inevitably results in a federal ban.

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Kratom can and will kill you. It is not harmless. You are taking a risk. Druggies see reality challenge impossible.

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Didn't call it harmless in the post, and not denying that at all (ctrl-f "addiction liability"). People do get hooked on it. I'm unaware of it killing anyone in its traditional powder form, though there have been cases of death involving concentrates/extracts or mixing it with other drugs/alcohol. It is entirely possible that death can somehow result from traditional consumption in isolation, but that is a risk I am willing to take in order to reduce my alcohol intake.

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it is harmless (which is why its such a shit drug), this guy is just being a girl peepee

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So you’re so dependent on substances that you HAVE to choose one?

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:dinoyes: ?

idk what to tell u bro, you're moralstragging in the drug discussion containment hole :marseyspecial:

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Lmao frick off boomer

Next you're gonna be telling me the 500mg of caffiene and 200mg of modafanil I take every day is """harmful""" too :marseylaughpoundfist:

Stop being a kitty

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Caffeine and modafinil are not even slightly similar in terms of risk and addiction potential. Modafinil has no habituation whatsoever, caffeine does but that’s another story. You are completely r-slurred and I demand you keep yourself safe.

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do you even know what kratom is? Like are you being fr fr no cap rn? Besides being somewhat addictive it's completely harmless (and even helps actual fent/heroin addicts get clean afaict)

I dont even like kratom whatsoever, but your r-slurred and objectively inaccurate boomerspeak is making me :marseyrage:

Feel free to provide a source of the # of people who have overdosed on exclusively kratom in the past couple years

Do you think weed is a heckin dangerous and deadly plant that kills gorillians of people too? Watch less reefer madness docs, boomer :marseynails:

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Cope

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>Driving can and will kill you. It is not harmless. You are taking a risk. Drivers see reality challenge impossible.

:#soyreddit:

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