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[tw: longpost] These :marseylibright: R-slurs are Gonna Get Kratom Banned :sharkyglow:

Like many savvy drugchads, :marseykingretard: I use kratom a few times a week in lieu of drinking. :marseydrunk: I find it works very well for this purpose, and my weekly alcohol :marseyjunkie2: consumption is far lower than it used to be. For the uninitiated kratom is a plant native to Southeast Asia :marseychingchong: that produces mild opiate-like effects when ingested, and is at the moment federally unregulated. As far as I know it cannot be converted into an injectable :marseymaid3: or insufflatable form which limits its abuse potential, though it does have non-zero addiction liability. The last time I picked up some kratom capsules :marseypills: from my friendly neighborhood head :marseyrasta: shop, I was offered a free :marseyrentfree: sample of a kava+kratom combination supplement :marseyjones: drink. I have only tried kava once previously many years ago so I thought what the heck, :marseyavril1: might as well. Kava is some kind of "sociability enhancement" plant extract from the South Pacific :marseylongsurfing: that I don't know a whole lot about, other than that it is generally considered non-addictive (unlike kratom). It was a Botanic Tonics "Feel Free" 2oz :!marseyshooting: shot. The label does not break down doses per drug beyond 2600mg of "proprietary blend" per 1oz serving.:marseysus:

I found this odd :marseybeanquestion: enough to warrant googling :marseyinvestigate: the product before consuming it, and I found I was not alone in my concern :marseytinfoil2: about the vague label. Much more worryingly, nearly every long term user report on this product claims it is ludicrously addictive. :marseyjunkie:

This :marseysnoo: post is probably the most extensive,:marseylong2:though there are others I will omit for brevity: https://old.reddit.com/r/kavakava/comments/t5wxtx/any_personal_thoughtsexperience_with_botanic/

Dozens of reddit comment chains :marseywords: detailing 10+ bottle/day dependence (so, what, 50g+ of kratom effective dose? :marseyishygddt:) and comparisons to heroin. :marseyjunkie: Consumption of kratom in quantities this extreme :marseysamhyde2: is normally difficult-to-impossible to achieve with traditional powdered plant kratom; you'll vomit :marseypuke: before you get anywhere near that amount. Unlike kratom by itself*, kava is immediately dangerous :marseyill: to consume in excess quantities on a regular basis so there are reports of addicts experiencing :marseybedsick: liver and skin problems as a result. Amidst the flailing and lamenting and speculation :marseyschizowall: about unlisted dangerous additives, some blame :marseynoyou: users and addicts for not doing enough research on kratom before getting hooked on this supplement :marseyindignant: chalking all of the dramatic :marseypearlclutch: reports up to normal :marseychartgaussian: kratom effects. More on this later.

*still a bad idea, this is pretty deep into addict territory even if it won't necessarily hospitalize :marseyplaguedoctor: you on its own so long as you don't have a metabolic disorder

Someone created a support group :npcsupport: sub for addicts just a few days ago: https://old.reddit.com/r/Quittingfeelfree/

The support sub is pretty amateur-hour, :marseygigaretard: but contains some additional key information. Users claim it has been marketed to young adults :marseyzoomer: and college students as an alcohol alternative (fair enough, a lot of people use kratom for this purpose including myself), often by social media (((influencer))) :marseybluecheck: types. Their website also lists some official(?) endorsements from some pretty big name :marseycoonass: schools. Users claim its availability is not limited to smoke shops, and that it can be found at 7-11s :marseytunaktunak: nationwide (any millennial dramanauts remember k2 and how that ended up working out? :marseybowl::marseydead::marseyshutitdown::marseycop:). User photos reveal that the label/formula has changed at least once, :marseymeds: from 3500mg down to 2600mg. The product entered the market :marseystocksup: right around a year ago, :marseycapy2022: and the company behind it has had comments on their social media profiles disabled :marseyamogus: for an unknown length of time.

Most critically: :marseymisinformation: none of the marketing for this product mentions that it contains kratom. It is marketed as a kava-only supplement. Normies :marseyregular: are buying this stuff without knowing about the kratom content, much less what kratom is :marseyclueless: and how to use it safely, :marseykys2: and then being surprised that it is :marseyaware: habit-forming. The only reference to kratom in any of their officially :bluehelmet: published content is the ingredients list label on the bottles and the screenshot :marseyprojection: of the same label on their website FAQ. Their website (which I won't link but is easily googleable) offers subscription services :marseybangfast: for the stuff, indicating they know darn well :marseyrapscallion: what they're doing. I would not have guessed that it contained any kratom when observing it on the store shelf, and I would have avoided :marseynope: it under the assumption that it was a snake :marseysnek: oil supplement if not for the smoke :marseyjoint: shop employee explaining :marseyakshually: that it contains kratom.

I have to give these guys credit for pulling off a Juul-tier :marseyvapecrying: heist so far. Exploitation of unregulated addictive substances on this scale :marseyobesescale: is not easy to pull off. The bottles retail for $10 :marseycapitalistmanlet: each. The problem is that this :marseyfine: will inevitably result in a blanket ban :marseyban: on kratom when someone at the NYT :marseyjourno: catches wind and writes a thinkpiece on how teh poor (college-aged) :marseygrad: childwenz :marseybib: are getting hooked on this evil :marseyevilgrin: dwug.

I took half of the bottle while writing :marseylongpost: this, and other than taking effect a lot faster :marseytwerkingfast: than I'm used to (~10 minutes vs 30-45+ minutes :marseytime: depending on my stomach contents) it feels pretty much exactly like normal kratom. IIRC shorter :marseymanlet: onset times correlate :marseychartscatter: with greater addiction liability, so that may explain some of the hysteria over this. I dunno. All I do know is I'm gonna be really frickin buttmad :marseyrage: when this inevitably results in a federal ban.

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Kratom is a shit drug for terminal degens who's numerous side effects outweigh just drinking and ill be happy when it's finally gone

It doesn't hold a candle to khat which is a drug wypipo rly b sleepin on

Do GHB like the punks used to if u wanna drink without drinking

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Lmao I can't say I've had particularly good experiences with recreational cathinones, all the ones I tried felt like dirty amphetamines

I'll grant it's possible that the OG method of consumption (chewing straight khat leaves) is better tho

My only side effects from kratom are the typical opiate ones (itchiness, dry mouth, mild nausea and headaches the next day if I take too much) and bowel funkiness if I take it on an empty stomach, and I don't give enough of a shit to try and find legitimate ghb or phenibut via dnms :marseyshrug: Just tryna save my liver

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Lmao I can't say I've had particularly good experiences with recreational cathinones, all the ones I tried felt like dirty amphetamines

Mephedrone was the best stimulant ever created. Its gone from the market now and I miss it :marseycry:

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I had a buddy bring back khat leaves and we sat around chewing and smoking swisher sweets and drinking red stripe, best upper experience to this day.

It's like a supercharged caffeine high without jitters or upset stomach and it goes away without leaving u strung out

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and it goes away without leaving u strung out

Alright, now I'm sold

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>My only side effects from kratom are the typical opiate ones

try an antihistamine neighbor, I would highly recommend ketotifen but it's not available orally in the US except from compound pharmacies with prescription

>phenibut via dnms

phenibut is clearweb (so is ghb but it's a lot more sketch), here: https://liftmode.com/

I will say though that phenibut stock has been really inconsistent and harder to find recently, and liftmode's quality has dropped a good bit so expect it to go to dnms soon

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It helped me get off heroin once (though I ultimately relapsed)

This was back before concentrates though. It was just the leaf and it would frick up my stomach so much that I didn't use it longer than I needed to

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