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[tw: longpost] These :marseylibright: R-slurs are Gonna Get Kratom Banned :sharkyglow:

Like many savvy drugchads, :marseykingretard: I use kratom a few times a week in lieu of drinking. :marseydrunk: I find it works very well for this purpose, and my weekly alcohol :marseyjunkie2: consumption is far lower than it used to be. For the uninitiated kratom is a plant native to Southeast Asia :marseychingchong: that produces mild opiate-like effects when ingested, and is at the moment federally unregulated. As far as I know it cannot be converted into an injectable :marseymaid3: or insufflatable form which limits its abuse potential, though it does have non-zero addiction liability. The last time I picked up some kratom capsules :marseypills: from my friendly neighborhood head :marseyrasta: shop, I was offered a free :marseyrentfree: sample of a kava+kratom combination supplement :marseyjones: drink. I have only tried kava once previously many years ago so I thought what the heck, :marseyavril1: might as well. Kava is some kind of "sociability enhancement" plant extract from the South Pacific :marseylongsurfing: that I don't know a whole lot about, other than that it is generally considered non-addictive (unlike kratom). It was a Botanic Tonics "Feel Free" 2oz :!marseyshooting: shot. The label does not break down doses per drug beyond 2600mg of "proprietary blend" per 1oz serving.:marseysus:

I found this odd :marseybeanquestion: enough to warrant googling :marseyinvestigate: the product before consuming it, and I found I was not alone in my concern :marseytinfoil2: about the vague label. Much more worryingly, nearly every long term user report on this product claims it is ludicrously addictive. :marseyjunkie:

This :marseysnoo: post is probably the most extensive,:marseylong2:though there are others I will omit for brevity: https://old.reddit.com/r/kavakava/comments/t5wxtx/any_personal_thoughtsexperience_with_botanic/

Dozens of reddit comment chains :marseywords: detailing 10+ bottle/day dependence (so, what, 50g+ of kratom effective dose? :marseyishygddt:) and comparisons to heroin. :marseyjunkie: Consumption of kratom in quantities this extreme :marseysamhyde2: is normally difficult-to-impossible to achieve with traditional powdered plant kratom; you'll vomit :marseypuke: before you get anywhere near that amount. Unlike kratom by itself*, kava is immediately dangerous :marseyill: to consume in excess quantities on a regular basis so there are reports of addicts experiencing :marseybedsick: liver and skin problems as a result. Amidst the flailing and lamenting and speculation :marseyschizowall: about unlisted dangerous additives, some blame :marseynoyou: users and addicts for not doing enough research on kratom before getting hooked on this supplement :marseyindignant: chalking all of the dramatic :marseypearlclutch: reports up to normal :marseychartgaussian: kratom effects. More on this later.

*still a bad idea, this is pretty deep into addict territory even if it won't necessarily hospitalize :marseyplaguedoctor: you on its own so long as you don't have a metabolic disorder

Someone created a support group :npcsupport: sub for addicts just a few days ago: https://old.reddit.com/r/Quittingfeelfree/

The support sub is pretty amateur-hour, :marseygigaretard: but contains some additional key information. Users claim it has been marketed to young adults :marseyzoomer: and college students as an alcohol alternative (fair enough, a lot of people use kratom for this purpose including myself), often by social media (((influencer))) :marseybluecheck: types. Their website also lists some official(?) endorsements from some pretty big name :marseycoonass: schools. Users claim its availability is not limited to smoke shops, and that it can be found at 7-11s :marseytunaktunak: nationwide (any millennial dramanauts remember k2 and how that ended up working out? :marseybowl::marseydead::marseyshutitdown::marseycop:). User photos reveal that the label/formula has changed at least once, :marseymeds: from 3500mg down to 2600mg. The product entered the market :marseystocksup: right around a year ago, :marseycapy2022: and the company behind it has had comments on their social media profiles disabled :marseyamogus: for an unknown length of time.

Most critically: :marseymisinformation: none of the marketing for this product mentions that it contains kratom. It is marketed as a kava-only supplement. Normies :marseyregular: are buying this stuff without knowing about the kratom content, much less what kratom is :marseyclueless: and how to use it safely, :marseykys2: and then being surprised that it is :marseyaware: habit-forming. The only reference to kratom in any of their officially :bluehelmet: published content is the ingredients list label on the bottles and the screenshot :marseyprojection: of the same label on their website FAQ. Their website (which I won't link but is easily googleable) offers subscription services :marseybangfast: for the stuff, indicating they know darn well :marseyrapscallion: what they're doing. I would not have guessed that it contained any kratom when observing it on the store shelf, and I would have avoided :marseynope: it under the assumption that it was a snake :marseysnek: oil supplement if not for the smoke :marseyjoint: shop employee explaining :marseyakshually: that it contains kratom.

I have to give these guys credit for pulling off a Juul-tier :marseyvapecrying: heist so far. Exploitation of unregulated addictive substances on this scale :marseyobesescale: is not easy to pull off. The bottles retail for $10 :marseycapitalistmanlet: each. The problem is that this :marseyfine: will inevitably result in a blanket ban :marseyban: on kratom when someone at the NYT :marseyjourno: catches wind and writes a thinkpiece on how teh poor (college-aged) :marseygrad: childwenz :marseybib: are getting hooked on this evil :marseyevilgrin: dwug.

I took half of the bottle while writing :marseylongpost: this, and other than taking effect a lot faster :marseytwerkingfast: than I'm used to (~10 minutes vs 30-45+ minutes :marseytime: depending on my stomach contents) it feels pretty much exactly like normal kratom. IIRC shorter :marseymanlet: onset times correlate :marseychartscatter: with greater addiction liability, so that may explain some of the hysteria over this. I dunno. All I do know is I'm gonna be really frickin buttmad :marseyrage: when this inevitably results in a federal ban.

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Some enterprising entrepreneurs are selling a feel-good juice supplement that contains kratom without disclosing said kratom content, and the sheltered people they're marketing it to are getting addicted to it because it contains kratom. This is kinda based tbh but will probably attract negative media and government attention towards kratom if the product gets popular enough.

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I mean it doesn't look like anything has happened yet, just keep an eye on the news. It all depends on whether this product gets really popular or not

Could end up being a total nothingburger, this is hardly the first time I've been worried about it getting banned

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