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EFFORTPOST 19th century South American drama. The Triple Alliance War part I :marseyflagbrazil: :marseyflagargentina: :marseyflaguruguay: :marseyflagparaguay:


								

								

Hi everyone :#marseywave2:

Last week I started reading a book titled “Maldita Guerra” by brazilian historian Francisco Doratioto.

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I still haven't finish it yet, it has 512 pages and I'm currently on page 408 but it it's enough to talk about this old dramatic event that's funny enough either forgot or has been the source of nationalistic agenda posting, the book title refers to a quote by the Baron of Cotegipe. I'll start giving you guys some context.

In the early 1860s South America was a very different place from today, Brazil was an Empire, a constitutional monarchy and Gigabased Pedro II reigned as emperor. Argentina had just came out of a civil war between federalists and unitarians (which deserves an effort post) resulting in unitarian victory led by General Bartolomé Mitre who in 1862 became the first President of an unified Argentina. Uruguay was ruled since the end of its civil war in 1851 by the Blanco Party, Bernardo Berro was elected President in 1860, the war was won against the Colorado Party. For those who don't know Uruguay along with Argentina, Paraguay and South Bolivia were part of the Vice-Royalty of La Plata during the colonial period, it was known then as the “Banda Oriental” the Eastern Band. In 1811 Portugal invaded the Banda Oriental which became part of the Brazilian Kingdom (the Portuguese Royal Family was then living in Rio) and then became the Cisplatine province. In 1822 Brazil became an independent country and in 1825 the Cisplatine war began as the Banda Oriental wished to leave Brazil and become part of the United Provinces of the South (which became Argentina). At the end Britain intervened and Uruguay was created as a buffer state between Argentina and the Empire of Brazil on the condition the Argies would never anchluss the place.

Paraguay got its independence in 1811. Between 1814 and 1840 it was ruled with an iron fist by Supreme Dictator (that was his actual title) José Gaspar Rodríguez de Francia, known as Dr. Francia as he held the titles of bachelor in philosophy and Doctor in Theology by the University of Córdoba. Dr Francia isolated the small Mediterranean country and purged all the other “procers” or independence Founding Fathers. After he died in 1840 Paraguay adopted a consulship with the power being shared between 2 men, Colonel Mariano Roque Alonso and Mr. Carlos Antonio López.

In 1844 Mr. López became the first President of Paraguay being elected by the Congress.

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Paraguay then opened up however it continued to live under a totalitarian dictatorship. Congress only was convened to elect the president and re elect him again. López appointed his 19 year old son, Francisco Solano López as army General :marseyxd:

In the 1850s Solano López who was the king of South American nepo-babies went to France to study, he came back with steam ships and guns bought from France and Britain and his irish concubine Elisa Lynch (who worked as a “courtesan” in Paris).

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In 1862 Carlos Antonio López died at the age of 72, his r-slurred spoiled son was his VP and became acting President with congress electing him almost unanimously for a 10 year term. By then Paraguay was a militarist society, they had a small river fleet and a permanent army, revisionists Argie leftoid “historians” made claims that Paraguay was an emerging power because it had a few railroads and an iron factory and that it represented a “threat” to the British Empire :#marseylaugh: a ludicrous notion that only our Platine neighbors and leftoid Brazilian journos like Julio Chiavennato could come up with.

In 1862 the Liberal Party won the elections in Brazil. During those days the Brazilian political stage was divided between Conservatives and Liberals. In 1862 a diplomatic incident with Britain happened, basically a Bong ship, The Prince of Wales sank near the coast of the Great State of Rio Grande do Sul (back then they were called provinces not states). The !macacos stole the shipwreck containers emptying them. Bongland responded sending a fleet to Guanabara Bay at Rio de Janeiro demanding reparations which the cucked libs did. Diplomatic relations with Britain were then cut. In 1864 a civil war erupted in Uruguay, a Colorado caudillo Venancio Flores decided to usurp power. Because of Flores's pro Brazilian leanings (the Blancos were taxing Brazilian imports from Rio Grande do Sul way too high to protect their markets as Brazil used slave workforce which made it cheaper than Uruguayan production, this made Gaúcho Farmers extremely angry with the Blancos) and because their reputation was in total shambles after the Bongland debacle the Liberals in Brazil decided to support Flores but before they consulted with Argie President Mitre assuring him they didn't intend to Annex Uruguay. Paraguay on the other hand was an ally of the Blanco government, Solano López who thought himself as a sort of Napoleon warned Brazil that they would declare war in case of intervention in Uruguay, the Brazilian Government dismissed this. Solano López thought that as Argies and Brazilians hated each other then surely Argentina would let their troops pass and join the fight. There were also some disputed borders between Paraguay and Brazil-Argentina (the misiones and part of Mato Grosso do Sul). In august 1864 Brazil invaded Uruguay to support regime change under the pretext that Brazilian citizens who lived in Uruguay were in danger and being killed by the Blanco government, war with Paraguay never came across the minds of our leaders in Rio de Janeiro. Solano López proceeded by conscripting almost every single man in fighting age. Paraguay had a population of around 400-500k inhabitants back then with a standing army of around 25k men. After the massive conscription and calling all the reserves Solano López got himself an army of 77k men. The Brazilian army back then was only 18k men despite having a population of around 9 million (9.9 million in the 1872 census). López bet was in some sort of Blitzkrieg. By then he suspected Mitre could join Brazil so what he wanted was an alliance between the Uruguayan Blancos and the Argie Federalists, the defeated group were led by the Entre Rian caudillo Justo José Urquiza.

The Province of Mato Grosso was then geographically isolated, its capital Cuiaba had only around 10k inhabitants as the only way to get through it was by the Paraguay River. In November 1864 a Brazilian ship, the steamboat marquis of Olinda was carrying the new President of the Province of mato Grosso, Colonel Federico Carneiro de Campos. Solano López was surprised considering he warned Brazil of war (rentfree in his mind) so h ordered his men to seize the ship and declared war to Brazil. Then in Dezember he invaded Mato grosso and deported all the local Brazilians to Paraguay where they would be mistreated.

Argentina declared itself neutral in the conflict, however they denied the pass of Paraguayan troops, this led to Solano López to declare war to Argentina, he then invaded the northern Argentine Province of Corrientes and intended to reach Uruguay soon. By then the Blancos were deposed and Flores was President. In may 1865 the Treaty of the Triple Alliance was signed between Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay. So the war began.

But a funny thing related to Mato Grosso. The main war theater was Corrientes (1865) and South Paraguay (1866-1868). In early 1865 a regiment was dispatched to free Mato Grosso, they walked 2100 km to reach it, arriving in 1867. 1/3 of them were dead, another had deserted. Only 1300 of the 3200 soldiers sent reach Mato Grosso. They were so worn out, sick and tired they didn't manage to accomplish their goals. After being repealed they went to Cuiaba, infected with smallpox. The epidemic killed half of the city's population.

After forming the triple Alliance it was decided in accordance that President Mitre who was an experienced General would lead as Supreme Allied Commander. However the Brazilian generals at the front, The Count of Porto Alegre and the Vice Admiral the viscount of Tamandaré despised Mitre and thought the Argies were either useless or treacherous. The Federalist caudillo Urquiza ended up betraying López and joining Mitre only to retrieve later on and become a war profiteer selling food to the armies like the cunning bastard he was.

It would be only in 1866 with the arrival of the man, the legend, the Marquis of Caxias that the dysfunctional allied force would become organized.

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Meanwhile López' r-slurred actions isolated Paraguay, his envoys in Britain were expecting to received new ships and weapons but because the country is landlocked and the only way in was through the Paraná river they never came.

!historychads !latinx

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>and thought the Argies were either useless or treacherous

This is still true today !latinx

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It's hilarious how much we distrusted our “allies”. I forgot to mention The Triple Alliance treaty was negotiated by the Viscount of Rio Branco who was plenipotentiary minister, he was immediately dismissed after the Government was informed of the treaty, they received complaints from Tamandaré who hated the Argies. Later on the war Tamandaré kept refusing to follow Mitre's orders to use the Brazilian fleet to attack Humaitá as he believed Mitre just wanted to destroy Brazilian ships by sending them on a suicide mission (the argies didn't send a single warship, only cargo ships for transport). !historychads

Rio Branco became Prime Minister later on.

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You forgot to say that the Marquis of Caxias got famous because of his participation on the multiples civil wars that Brazil endured through the regency period, he earned the title of The Pacifier :marseybaby: and Iron Marshal, and if it wasn't for people like him, Brazil would just be various separated countries he was also responsible for the death of 40000 Brazilians in his mission to stop the revolts..

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Extremely Based and empirepilled !macacos

Caxias and the revolts during the Regency Period deserve effortposts too

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Brazil would just be various separated countries

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Paraguay declaring war on Brazil, Argentine and Uruguay at the same has to be some of the most r-slurred military action ever taken. It would be like Belgium trying to beat Germany, France and the Netherlands at the same time.

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Cara, o pior é que tem muita gente lá que defendem isso hoje, eu trabalhava numa construtora no Paraguai (meu ex-chefe é paulistano que mora lá faz anos) no outro lado da ponte e tenho uns quantos amigos paraguaios mais é impossível discutir da guerra com a maioria deles. Eles alegam que a guerra era inevitável, que o Brasil estava determinado a destruir o Paraguai e o pior de tudo: que graças a Solano López e sua teimosia de não se render o Paraguai se salvou de ser anexado :marseyxd#:, que se ele tivesse assinado a rendição o Paraguai deixaria de existir!

Os caras não se tocam que o Brasil não precisava de nenhuma porra de assinatura pra fazer isso, se o governo da época quisesse anexar eles teriam feito, de fato o governo Argentino queria isso porem o tratado da tríplice aliança incluía uma cláusula na qual o Paraguai continuaria existindo, cláusula que o Brasil colocou porque nunca ouve intenção alguma de fazer isso.

Então a narrativa oficial lá é “O Brasil malvadão queria nos destruir por inveja porque seriamos potencia e cometeu genocídio, salve o nosso heroico marechal que defendeu nossa patria”.

@BrasilIguana olha só as asneiras que eu tive que aturar

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Deus me livre se a gente anexasse o Paraguai, esse país já tem regiões pobres demais, imagina mais uma pra carregar

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Olha que eles tão melhorando bastante nos últimos anos, eu trabalhei lá na obra de um frigorífico, tem bastante indústria se instalando lá, quase todas empresas brasileiras ou no caso do frigorífico o dono é um brasileiro que mora lá. Só que a mão de obra ainda é muito despreparada, os pedreiros de lá são muito trabalhadores mas tem muito serviço que eles não fazem certo se a gente não fica encima.

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Literalmente :#marseyitsallsotiresome:

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!effortposters

South American herstory is always interesting.

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I couldn't keep track of who is who, so I literally had to make a sketch with a national flag next to each name, it would have helped if there was a country marsey next to each name to help stupid Mayos keep track

In WW1 timelines it's easy to keep track of which person belongs to which faction, because Bong, kraut, frog, Serbian, Austrian, russian names are all very different spelling and sounding names

But Spanish and porra is too similarly sounding

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Paraguay :marseyflagparaguay:

President: Marshall Francisco Solano López

First Lady: Elisa Lynch

Generals

Wenceslao Robles

Bernardino Caballero

Minister of Foreign Affairs: José Berges

Diplomatic envoys: Gregorio Benítez, Cándido Bareiro

Argentina :marseyargentina:

President: Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)

President: Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)

Generals: the main one was Gelly y Obes

Minister of Foreign Affairs: Rufino de Elizalde

VP: Marcos Paz

Entre Ríos caudillo: Justo José Urquiza

Uruguay :marseyflaguruguay:

Blanco President: Bernanrdo Berro

Blanco interin President: Atanasio Aguirre

Colorado President: Venancio Flores

General: Enrique Castro

BRAZIL :#marseysalutebrasil: :#marseyflagbrazil:

(Brazilian noblemen were adressed by their titles instead of names).

Emperor: Pedro II

Main general: Marquis of Caxias

Main generals:

Count of Porto Alegre

Viscount of Pelotas

Baron of São Gabriel

Manuel Osório

Admiral of fleet:

Viscount of Tamandaré

Diplomats:

Viscount of Rio Branco

Brazilian PMs: way too many, main ones the Marquis of Olinda, the Viscount of Itaboraí and the Viscount of Rio Branco.

Other Brazilian politicians, the Baron of Cotegipe, opposed to the war for economic reasons, José Silveira da Motta, a senator, the Baron of Penedo, the Viscount of Itaúna (President of São Paulo province).

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:marseyexcited: :marseyexcited: :marseyexcited: :marseythanks: :marseythanks: :marseythanks:

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By the way, this war was to the Paraguayans what the Second Boer War was to the Afrikaners, a demographic catastrophe with the Empire of Brazil being the equivalent of Britain.

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SORRY I WAS ASLEEP

I need to read up on the war, but South America is incomprehensible to me.

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I advise you to learn about a specific country or region first so you head doesn't get scrambled. South America is way too big, even Brazil is hard to keep up. I personally know little about the northern regions of Brazil, most of the LATAM history I know is from the Plata Basin, my region, which includes South Brazil plus São Paulo, Uruguay, Paraguay and the Argentine Northeast and Pampa areas (Buenos Aires Province). These are the peoples of erva mate or Yerba Mate and where our diet was historically very carnivore due to the abundance of cattle, the land of the gauchos and our great rivers.

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Does the book touch on the gender imbalance in Paraguay after the war and effects of that on Paraguay society?

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The book is about the war, campaigns and political/economic actions. The epilogue deals with war casualties. Doratioto is part of the new historiography of the war and the casualties on the Paraguayan war vary way too much. The 1870 post war census gives a 1-10 male/female ratio that's where the “90% of men died” stats come from. However the 1886 Paraguayan census shows a 1-3 male/female ratio among thosed aged 30 onwards (those who were 14 onwards in 1870 when the war ended). The 1870 census was likely shitty, thousands of soldiers were POWs and others went into hiding so the 1886 one reflects better. Paraguay began to receive thousands of European immigrants from 1880 onwards, mostly male which helped, very far from the scale as Argentina but it did have an impact on post-war repopulation.

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The 1870 post war census gives a 1-10 male/female ratio that's where the “90% of men died” stats come from

!moidmoment this is the dream :marseycry: :marseycry: why can't we have more wars for men to die in

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>war breaks out

>I neetmax in a basement for five years

>emerge to build a harem

>the ladies won't touch the only man in town if he's a goblin

mfw

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Unironically, women tend to be the most antiwar people, you all constantly make your own bed

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>ability to move to a Catholic, Romance speaking country where there are 3-5 women for every man

Passport bros were eating good in the 1800s

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They were all grandmas

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Fun fact, Paraguay has a state named after the otherwise relatively unremarkable US President Rutherford B. Hayes because he ruled in favor of Paraguay after this war :marseymoreyouknow:

Have you ever been to Paraguay, or is it so shitty that even southern :!chadbrasileiro: won't go there for a cheap vacation?

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Have you ever been to Paraguay, or is it so shitty that even southern :!chadbrasileiro: won't go there for a cheap vacation?

I live in the border with Paraguay and Argentina, they stand crossing the bridge, the city which borders is Ciudad del Este, is poorly organized and dirty but filled with Brazilian tourists who go there to shop electronics. I'm a civil engineer and I worked in Paraguay as well, the company I worked for built a meat factory there (Brazilian owned as well), there are 250k brazilians living in Paraguay not to mention their paraguayan children or the naturalised citizens (together the Brasiguayans are probably half a million people), the “Brasiguayan” towns on the border are pretty much like Southern Brazilian towns, demographically, architectural and culturally speaking.

The capital Asunción is well, it could look better if it was clean, downtown there is very dirty and historical buildings are not taken care off, traffic jam there is awful as is their public transport, culturally speaking Asunción seems to be Argentine influence, there are tons of argies living there, I kept hearing their accent in the malls and restaurants there. The deep Paraguayan countryside (not the Brasiguayan towns) is veery poor, or so I was told, I've only passed by on my way to the cities which have nice parts and ugly parts, but from what I saw it reminded me of the Northern Argentine countryside which is also very poor.

Thinking about it, the South Brazilian countryside is much more developed and it's not even close, and São Paulo countryside then, SP would unironically be a developed country if it was independent, they really stand out.

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That's cool, thanks for sharing. :chadthankskingcapy: I never knew there were so many Brazilianx there but I guess it makes sense. I've met people from all over (and I've done some traveling myself) but I've never met anyone who's actually been to Paraguay :marseyflagparaguay:

SP would unironically be a developed country if it was independent

One of my cousins worked in SP for a short time, he came back and told me how nice it was as well

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Paraguay is definitely not a tourist hotspot besides electronics shopping in the border, and it will likely never be as it lacks big attractions (unless you're fond of river beaches) and its cities are rather plain, most foreigners who travel there are either going because of work or because they're visiting family and friends. Still, it is a peaceful and stable country with low taxes, business friendly political environment and high GDP growth, that's why there are so many brazilians there and more recently many Argentines from Buenos Aires moving as well with their money as they didn't put their faith in the Rio Platense economy anymore lol. In other words a boring developing country, I wish all of our neighbors the best, I hope the Argies get their shit together as well.

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This is a part of history I have never understood and always wanted to. I got half way through this and realized I want to impress my dad who is buying elderly person shit at Bi Mart so I'm gonna look up what's happening in Anatolia instead.

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Don't care, didn't read, updoot for thumbnail tho

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When do you figure Mexico will be fully westernized?

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>westernized

Mexico is culturally part of the west and so is the rest of Latam

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Yeah, but there is a point where the general population considers them western as well.

Like how East Europe wasn't considered West proper 3-4 decades back but now is.

Similarly Mexico is still not proper west although its closing the gap.

How much longer ya figure?

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Well, I can't see how Mexico is relevant to my efforpost about a 19th century South American war. But to answer your question, the main reason many Americans don't consider it as part of the “west” is because is not a developed country and in the past also because of their mixed race majority population.

It will come down to perception as Mexico becomes more economically developed (and hopefully more peaceful) and is already happening, most immigrants crossing the border to the US are not Mexicans, their Diaspora came mostly during the 1970-2000 period, nowadays they're mostly Central Americans (Guatemalans, Hondurans, Salvadoreños). But for narrow minded racists it will likely never be, not that their opinions matter anyway.

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I agree with your assessment. Good job.

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