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nuclearshill gau/cho  3mo ago (image post) Edited 3mo ago 406 thread views #291239

On August 9th 1945 Nagasaki got dusted :marseyjapgenocide: :itsoverjapanese: by a Fat Man :marseyscooter: :marseysaluteusa: :marseymacarthur:

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!historychads pic related was taken 15 minutes after the nuke detonated.

It was dropped by the B-29 Bockscar, commanded by USAAF captain Frederick C. Bock

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17232461429846575.webp

Here's a pic of Fat Man, it was an implosion type weapon and carried plutonium was fissile material.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17232461431064222.webp

The chonker responsible for anime :#marseychonker2: :#marseychungus:

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I just get depressed discussing this and nobody here is in a position of military/governmental importance for it to matter so I'll give it one response and bow out, but since you're Catholic I'll start by saying that "the ends justify the means" has never and will never be a permissible view within the Church, and the Vatican denounced the bombings immediately and again during V2/in current subsequent editions of the Catechism.

Numerous generals and military officials refute the dominant narrative that the bombings were necessary to end the war, and given the Allied nations' reluctance to intervene whatsoever in the Holocaust it's questionable if they were particularly motivated by protecting Chinese lives, either.

The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan.

— Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet

The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons ... The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.

— Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman, 1950

The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.

— Major General Curtis LeMay, XXI Bomber Command, September 1945 (the man in charge of air operations in Japan)

The first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment ... It was a mistake to ever drop it ... [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it.

— Fleet Admiral William Halsey Jr., 1946

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It's something for me to work through, but there's a lot more personal shit tied into my views on this than simple historical armchair jingoism.

Your Catholic arguments are much stronger, and I'm aware I'm theologically wrong. However, I will debate this shit militarily and politically with you forever. I can almost certainly find quotes from most, if not all, of those figures justifying strategic bombing. There's no theological difference besides their magnitudes between firebombs and nuclear weapons.

LeMay:

We were going after military targets. No point in slaughtering civilians for the mere sake of slaughter. Of course there is a pretty thin veneer in Japan, but the veneer was there. It was their system of dispersal of industry. All you had to do was visit one of those targets after we'd roasted it, and see the ruins of a multitude of houses, with a drill press sticking up through the wreckage of every home. The entire population got into the act and worked to make those airplanes or munitions of war ... men, women, children. We knew we were going to kill a lot of women and kids when we burned [a] town. Had to be done.

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