https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0012825211000262
There is a younger dryas civilization hypothesis which suggests that large advanced ( for their time ) human civilizations might have existed more than 10,000 years ago and been destroyed in mud floods (hmmm sounds similar to Tartarian civilization demise)
https://australian.museum/learn/science/human-evolution/when-and-where-did-our-species-originate/
Humans are said the have been biologically the same for 200,000 years.
The Spinx might be more than 5,000 years old.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Darkening_Age
All early religions may have had a habit of destroying evidence of anything that was not created by them or showed a world that existed before themselves.
Humans have been around the planet for 200,000 years. In those 200,000 years we are supposed to believe that humans figured out cities and towns in only the last 5% of the time during which they have existed.
Either the scientists are wrong that humans have existed the same for 200,000 years and we are far more advanced and different than our ancestors, or humanity likely had time and again built pseudo civilizations, but each time not advanced enough to maintain cohesion in the face of conflict or time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe
Gobekli Tepe is 9000-9500 years old.
https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/behavior/stone-cowtools
The first stone cowtools were developed 2.6 million years ago.
Current history wants us to believe that it took life on Earth 2.6 million years to go from stone cowtools to figuring out building villages.
What do you think is more likely? 2.6 million years to figure out how to build villages, or that it is only in recent times that humans have built structures so vast that their evidence would remain for thousands of years after the species perished.
Today, enough varieties of life have evolved on Earth, that they would consume and process and sign of life long before it has a chance of fossilizing.
There are 2,500 year old cities under the Amazon forest that could only be discovered with underground mapping.
Only 5% of Gobekli Tepe has been unearthed.
There was obviously a town to city spanning area that existed 9,500 years ago.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66846772
Oldest discovered wooden structure is half a million years old.
You know, it's really weird, how humans are obsessed with constantly building stronger and stronger structures and defenses, meanwhile all other species seem to be okay with where they are right now. Almost as if we are a species who have been through so much shit that the only survivors were those who planned ahead and tried to plan for everything, because time after time whatever they built was destroyed, by natural disaster, by predators, by time, and each time the more desperate to not have that destruction occur again gene survived.
Maybe we aren't a species who emerged out of civilization 10,000 years ago, maybe we are a species that failed to rise up as a civilization and maintain that growth 100s of times across 100,000 or more years and we are just in the current iteration that has gotten the furthest without collapsing.
https://theconversation.com/ancient-aboriginal-stories-preserve-history-of-a-rise-in-sea-level-36010
The aboriginals of Australia managed to pass on a myth of sunken islands for 12,000 years.
Humanity wasn't dumb. It just might not have been smart enough to build modern society.
Atlantis for example, could have simply been a civilization that was more advanced than any of its neighbors before it got destroyed.
Isn't it funny that human civilization always appears to have begun wherever the newest great empire persists?
China begins to rise on the global stage and suddenly they find the oldest fossils in China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peking_Man
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_longi
The greatest empires cannot tolerate a history where they weren't in some form guaranteed to be the winners. Where they weren't in some way meant to be reaching a manifest destiny.
Our histories have been written to fit a narrative, and that narrative is that the first connections to our way of life are the only ones that are relevant and the only ones that have ever existed.
Yet time and time again, we find more proof that something did exist before history has deemed things to have existed.
https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/ancientman/1054.html
Nukes in India 10-12,000 years ago? The signs say yes.
Theory 1:
Ancient aliens once roamed the Earth until up to 10,000 years ago.
Theory 2:
Advanced ( modern day equivalent ) human civilizations did emerge in the past, but they were always of such small sizes that they would break down and knowledge would be lost with the destruction of a single state. This could be possible as we are already seeing developed economies on the verge of collapse even though no great crisis is reaching them and destroying them right now.
Theory 3:
Everything the scientists and the archeologists say today is correct, we should trust the whole of human history being built up on the base created by people who couldn't handle gay people existing historically, or who thought their own historical ideas must always be superior to any other civilization.
Conclusion:
Human science is accurate. Human history is a lie.
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Because we didnt master yet agriculture yet, r-slur. Before that, humanity simply moved to a place, ate whatever was edible for the season and moved somewhere else. There was no point staying in the same spot waiting for the fruit trees to ripen/animals to migrate, because they won't do so until another 9 months.
It's only once we managed to stockpile substantial amounts of food that we could afford staying in one place all year long. We were softlocked until then.
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Not only that but also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_modernity
!historychads !biology
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I'm always wary of claims like this because there was a whole list of traits that separated humans from apes. Then Jane Goodall went out in the jungle for a couple years and proved that chimpanzees do all those things. It literally just took a few years of watching them to totally destroy our concept of what makes us special.
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Chimps can't compose music, can't make art, can't talk, and they don't burry their dead.
Even early hominids like Homo Erectus only possessed a rudimentary language and actual speech was a Homo Sapiens thing (almost certainly the Neanderthals too).
Though behavioral modernity refers specifically to Homo Sapiens itself as some "cognitive" revolution which happened 60k years ago. Many dislike it as they argue that if that's the case then abos would be considered as primitive Sapiens by chuds or some shit like it.
!biology !nooticers
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Chimps can't trade, which is a huge obstacle to economic growth.
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I don't get it
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Yes I can, whether is good art, music or talking is a different matter.
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Oh.
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Uh oh
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Explain this
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Rap and hip hop kind of blow, but jazz is the best genre there is
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Wasn't she a fraud?
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I haven't heard of any controversy about her. You must be confusing her with someone else. Maybe the people who did sign language with apes.
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You are correct https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francine_Patterson
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What was wrong with the sign language scientists?
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Excuse me Sphereserf. I replied to you about an hour ago and still haven't received an upmarsey yet. Are you away from your computer?
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Okay. You brought this on yourself.
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They were way too optimistic and subjective. Every time the gorilla did anything with its hands they would interpret it as signs and imagine it was saying something important. Later experiments with apes have been much more rigorous. IIRC it turns out that they're pretty smart and have a lot going on in their heads but they can't do language beyond maybe combining a couple words.
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Or that one b-word that tried to frick dolphins
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Dat neighbor ain't never heard of no plant husbandry as an intermediate between nomadism and sedentary civs.
Neighbors be planting the best seeds as they leave their nomadic area to make better crops when they return. Also they poop, and more concentrated poopies = more concentrated plants.
!pantspoopers you matter
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Herodotus says they were still doing this in Russia into the 400s BC. They had vast amounts of land so why not just toss some seeds out there and hope they grow.
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And yet Putin was sperging out on X that his Swedish Varingian Viking overlords made Ukraine his property in 800 BC, while Slavs were just walking around and pooping. Tsk tsk.
!historychads !sophistry
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Hero who?
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You r-slur even the Aboriginal Australians had figured out farming before European styled settlements. You don't need villages to know how to farm. You don't need farming to know how to build villages if there are enough fruit trees surrounding your land.
This might surprise a citycel like you, but in a normal jungle there are plants and trees blooming at different time periods throughout the year. Especially in a rain forest.
tribes have been touring across the same area of land for centuries to millennia. Sentalese civilization has been on the same mini-island for thousands of years without contact. The only thing required to stay in one place is that your population does not outgrow the supply of resources in the area.
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They did, and more and more research is coming out with evidence. If you want to cope you can call their agriculture limited and primitive https://rupertgerritsen.tripod.com/pdf/published/Evidence_for_Indigenous_Australian_Agriculture.pdf
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You're fricking owning these r-slurs lmao the world farms itself when you don't have a "village" of 100k plus people in 12 square miles
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Another example of when historians were absolutely wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Heyerdahl
If you think denial in the scientific community is bad, just look at the humanities.
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Someday my theory that Albanians were the true founders of western civilization will be vindicated. (I'm only 85% joking btw.)
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I don't talk about such things openly. Only to my cat. My precious little girl. She's the only one I can trust. I know she's not a glowie. Are you a glowie? You are aren't you? You're just trying to find out how much I've discovered.
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Dua pls
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Really?
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Yeah. I suspect they might be a remnant of some nation that was important in ancient times. Like very ancient, 500 BC or so. But that's mostly just based on some very interesting patterns of where the Albanian-speaking minority lives in Greece and old legends.
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So Illyrians?
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Apologize to Thor rn
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They just don't realize that even scientific research had to reset their standards after the replication crisis occurred, meanwhile "historians" are busy dying on the hill of some white dude who stole artifacts from Egypt during 1910 is indeed correct about how the ancient world worked.
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But scientific research still haven't changed their standards though? They are still burying their head in the sand and trying to ignore the replication crisis
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no? https://www.nature.com/articles/s44271-023-00003-2
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Yes?
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He didn't steal them, apologize to him right now
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He is, tbf.
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He is?
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Why are you so hateful and spiteful?
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