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  • Fresh_Start : Evil leaders appear out of thin air fallacy. Trump is the figurehead for preexisting symptoms.

Francis Fukuyama (author of The End of History) has a new article discussing how the neoliberal, democratic permanent future he imagined isn't happening after all with the re-election of Trump

This decay has already started, and Trump has done substantial damage. He has deepened an already substantial polarisation within society, and turned the US from a high-trust to a low-trust society; he has demonised the government and weakened belief that it represents the collective interests of Americans; he has coarsened political rhetoric and given permission for overt expressions of bigotry and misogyny; and he has convinced a majority of Republicans that his predecessor was an illegitimate president who stole the 2020 election.

The breadth of the Republican victory, extending from the presidency to the Senate and probably to the House of Representatives as well, will be interpreted as a strong political mandate confirming these ideas and allowing Trump to act as he pleases. We can only hope that some of the remaining institutional guardrails will remain in place as he takes office. But it may be that things will have to get a lot worse before they get better.

https://www.ft.com/content/f4dbc0df-ab0d-431e-9886-44acd4236922

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  • Fresh_Start : The west has to choose between embracing Indian values or Chinese values. No third option.

>unaware socialist is upset His Party doesn't reign supreme over Americans and the world

Many such central planers.

:#marseysigh:

He's a modern day imperialist with Socialist Characteristics and doesn't realize it. He'll speak the partyspeak and blatantly lie about what's happening in order to fulfill his personal goal of dominating the world in accordance with his ideology.

These people are dangerous. They're the kind of fool who advocates for dumb shit like exporting democracy (e.g. to Iraq), but when that largely fails, it doesn't matter. It disproves nothing and only hardens his hubris. He's an intellectual cheerleader of warmongers.

!chuds !trump2024

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>Fukuyama

>Socialist

I'd call you a socialist too, given that you're certainly far left on the iq scale.

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I call all people with that central planning mindset "socialist" because ultimately that's what they are at their core. It's only recently (past 40 years) that they've accepted markets, but they still want use them as another tool for their socialist nonsense.

I was hoping you'd get that from the "with Socialist Characteristics," you know, as China calls its (planned) economy.

But apparently you didn't catch that because you're actually the dumb dumb. :marseysipping:

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I didn't read past the marsey, and it's not socialist characteristics, but chinese characteristics (which is how China copes with having a massive free market). Where and when has Fukuyama ever supported further historical developments beyond neoliberal crapitalism?

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Note how his facade slips when people of the Wrong Party are democratically elected.

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No disagreement there :marseyshrug:

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Where and when has Fukuyama ever supported further historical developments beyond neoliberal crapitalism?

His vision is not one of free markets, nor does he view democracy as an exercise of liberty. He only wants a certain political party forever in power and which just so happens to lean further and further on the cowtools of government to somehow fix things. He's heavily of the central planner mindset and has no respect for liberty.

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:crackerjaktalking:

He doesn't actually want only a single party in power, sure the blob has its own interests, but ultimately it's a pretty bold claim that the US was not a democracy 1980-2016 :marseybased:

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A commie who thinks the US is democracy? :marseyhappytears:

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He doesn't actually want only a single party in power

That's literally what he said in that idiotic article.

He blames Trump for "deepening an already substantial polarisation within society, and turning the US from a high-trust to a low-trust society"? No! Trump came after all that happened -- the Fukuyamas of the world are the ones who polarized society and destroyed trust -- trust in the institutions by constantly lying to the people "for the greater good", mutual trust among the people by pushing incredibly bigoted race and gender ideology, and by legalizing crime and predation.

According to Fukuyama it's Trump who "has demonised the government and weakened belief that it represents the collective interests of Americans"? No, that wasn't Trump. People figured that out all on their own. They turned to Trump afterwards.

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I didn't say that, and it's apparent that he does.

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What facade? :marseyconfused:

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@Ubie I'll let you take this one :marseyhungry:

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No you see, neoliberal crapitalism is actual existing socialism, because the government does things. Taxes? Socialist. Building roads? Socialist. Basically any government in history of the world that had any kind of central planning and control over markets is socialist. Even a random tribe of coconut pickers having its leaders instate a rule about leaving at least 1 coconut on every tree has basically achieved socialism.

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:marseydarkmarsey2#:

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because the government does things

:#marseyagreesuperspeed:

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Never because he's never used the word neoliberal before :marseyembrace:

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don't do this to yourself

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Don't do what? :marseysad:

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get confused by the signs :marseypostmodern:

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Fukuyama is not for "central planning" what the frick are you on about

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Wrong.

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Apparently you haven't read anything from him on US interventionism. :marseydesu: You'd have to have a central planner mindset to believe in that claptrap.

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with Socialist Characteristics

So every government on Earth that has some kind of central planning (the vast majority of them) is socialist now? What is this "core" you're talking about? Do you think you think the billionaires in China are socialist because they work closely with the CCP?

Incredible levels of mental gymnastics over here.

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Do you think a blah blah blah. All that jaw-flapping of yours is r-slurred. Wake me up when you've read his books.

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Do you think you think the billionaires in China are socialist because they work closely with the CCP?

Yes :marseyagree:

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This dedicated centrist neoliberal is actually a socialist. Amazing political analysis.

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>be Francis

>dedicate your life to free market reforms and neoliberalism

>help drive a stake through the heart of communism

>zoomers who have never read a book call you a socialist cute twink

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He's soooo free market reform [under a highly centralized government that dominates the economy], and he reeeally is :marseyairquotes: neoliberal :marseyairquotes: until the Wrong Party is democratically chosen.

Deep down inside, he's a socialist. Simple as.

!sophistry, the nerve of these knaves. :marseydesu:

Suck it, !commenters. You people have no idea what you're talking about. :marseyscoot:

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You are a libertarian aren't you?

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a highly centralized government that dominates the economy

I think you're either confusing him with someone else or really r-slurred.

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How much of your income is taken by government? Not just taxes. :marseysipping:

Read his stuff on interventionism.

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subject: making a pun

the invisible hand chose trump and apparently he cant handle it. Francis FrickYoMama :pepesuit:

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!sophistry

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Noted free trade advocate Karl Marx

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:marseyakshually: he's a neocon not a liberal

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"hitler wasnt a socialist too. real socialism has never been tried. I'm the only true socialist in the world and you will see real socialism only by selecting me as world leader and implementing true socialism" - every socialist ever

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ok, a dumb piece of shit who was wrong every step of the way

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Why do you hate me? :marseysad:

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I don't

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:#marseygigaretardtyping:

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>be me :marseyhmmhips:

>make an excellent point :marseygrad:

>which nobody can refute :marseysmughipskorean:

!commenters, just admit you haven't read anything by him. :marseyxd:

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I'm pretty sure I read something of his on Persuasion, the ultimate site for centrist !grillers. Oh look, Yascha just interviewed him a couple days ago. I gotta hear that.

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He was on the Persuasion election night watchparty. He joined the chat late then humblebragged "sorry, I was teaching my class here at Stanford".

I was clicking back and forth between their chat and rdrama's Chris Chan livestream. Wild night.

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Also listens to Persuasion. That's +500 points in my quest for a boyfriend-free girl.

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Seriously tho, I'm glad I'm not the only one listening to it. Sometimes I worry everyone is either a wingcuck or just baked all day listening to Joe Rogan and watching Ancient Aliens.

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Fukuyama is a trot. :marseytrotsky:

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  • Fresh_Start : LGBTQ+ rights were lost the moment they turned on the Ts. They are too weak alone and split.

I want to "dominate" the world as well and get them to adapt democracy, women's rights, LGBTQ+ rights and so on.

:#marseysalutepride:

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>neoliberal

>socialist

Reagan is rolling in his grave

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Reagan probably didn't know what the word neoliberal even was

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Well duh, he was a champion for it before it had a common name.

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It still doesn't have a common name, it's a commie slur for anything they don't like that's an outright chud

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Ah, I see you are as aware as Regan in his final years.

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Rude :marseyannoyed: Neoliberal is a slur and you know it's true :!marseyindignant:

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I consider myself one

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Why? :marseysad:

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Time to export some democracy to the United States! Drumpf was clearly elected in bad faith and cannot be allowed access to the nuclear codes.

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Imagine being such a BIPOCcute twink that you have a ft account, and can actually read the article....

Long live the ccp

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I read his book on interventionism and some of End of History which wasn't interesting. News articles are for r-slurs. :marseysipping:

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Why do you hate Francis Fukuyama? :marseysad:

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