It's a pretty fantastical movie that obviously shouldn't be taken too seriously. I mean they've got a Nazi army in Cairo in 1936 with panzerfausts and goofy flying wing airplanes. But I argue that it works so well because it does a good of giving the characters relatively realistic motives and abilities.
Cairo 1936.
Right from the start it's already already establishing just what level of badass Indy is. He finds Forrestal's body and mentions how good he was. This tells us if Indy survives he must be even better, but also shows us that he's worried because he knows he's not indestructible.
When he gets back home he proposes going to Marrakesh to steal the idol back from Belloch. The other guy is like "no listen we're going to do even more based than that instead".
Marion is the kind of empowered woman that dumb millenial c*nts imagine they could be. She's cunning and resourceful but also completely helpless if she gets stuck in the wrong situation. She's aggressive with a dash of arrogance and half a cup of crazy but still feminine. She doesn't need a man to tell her what to do but she'll grudgingly follow if one has a good idea. And most importantly she doesn't try to beat men with her upper body strength like foids in post-1990s movies always do.
Karen Allen is incredibly sexy throughout the whole movie even though she's usually fully dressed. Foids take notice: Not being a bimbo is actually really attractive.
Indy is much the same. He reminds me of Phillip Marlowe. He's a really smart guy, pretty tough, knows a thing or two about trouble. But he's not Superman. He lost the idol because Belloch was better at politics and finding allies. He can't win a fist fight with the big buck bosche. He's always either one step ahead or behind of the enemy, using his wits and struggling desperately to keep up. Compare that to millennial slop like the dogshit Jack Reacher tv show where the guy can do anything because he's bigger than everyone else and has magical intuition.
Peepee Powell is my favorite Marlowe.
Belloch is great too. Dude just wants to learn more about God and how the universe works. They can actually have themes more profound than capeshit's "dae think being evil is bad" because the adversary has a motive that we all share and is usually considered a good thing.
A radio for talking to God? My foot is gonna communicate with your butt.
Then there's the Nazis, who Belloch manipulates into being his minions. Unlike him these guys are cartoonishly evil, so we can have our cake and eat it too. Talk with Belloch and slaughter mindless krauts with an SMG. It works because the Nazis really were that cartoonishly evil.
Nazis. I hate these guys.
Finally we get to the really powerful characters in the story. The final boss is God, who is like... imagine you're playing SWTOR and there's a world boss who is level 200. In the end you realize that while we squabble over a box there is someone way more important really calling the shots.
And then the final final boss is the glowies. They have immense power because they're the kind of people who are responsible enough to just put the box away and not open it. God I wish that irl today responsible people actually had power.
Putting the box in another box and returning it to the state it was found in. Really is a Rod Serling/Saki tier ending.
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I hate how the new Indy movies tried to just bank on Indy nostalgia as if it were Star Wars and completely failed to be adventure movies like the originals.
On that note we could have had more Indiana Jones esque movies made since Harrison Ford got old because all that really mattered was having a solid historical adventure story with a popular leading man. The relevant people are too obsessed with IPs and can't grasp the concept of a spiritual successor.
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Yeah Indiana Jones and Star Wars were both boomers making up something inspired by what they watched when they were kids. But they didn't worry about getting the Buck Rogers license and fitting in to the Buck Rogers canon and having quippy little callbacks to Buck Rogers. They made something new and even better.
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Indiana jones is just Alan quartermain from king Solomon's mines learn to lit
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The one in 1950 is one of my favorite movies.
Whoever made the trailer must have been from the south because it's actually the least racist movie ever in history.
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Sounds like a white guy from L.A. is the culprit.
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Where does it overstate racism?
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It leaves out all the parts where Quartermain is saying that racism is r-slurred or black people are in control of what's going on, which is about 90% of the movie.
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What were Star Wars and Indiana Jones inspired by? I can't see any parallels.
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IDK about Indy, but the opening crawl of A New Hope is a direct nod to the original Flash Gordon tv shows, thats also why it was "Episode 4" even though it was the first movie. He wanted it to feel like another episode of an ongoing episodic drama set in space
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Wait it was always called Episode 4? I thought that was added on after the prequels
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Im actually not sure tbh. It was probably before then prequels, but after the late 90s 'special editions'.
P sure he did interviews in the late 80s where he said he'd always intended the first movie to be a sort of in medias res thing though
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Yeah it always started at 4, I don't know if he intended to make the prequels at the start but he definitely wanted to make that point that you weren't at the beginning
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Star Wars is very much inspired by 1930s serials like Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon. There's stuff like the wipes between scenes that are meant to make it really obvious. These were shown on tv in the 1950s so boomers grew up on them.
Indiana Jones is based on pulp magazine shit from the 1930s-1950s. Chad goes to an exotic location, ends up killing nazis and fricking some really hot chick.
Merry Christmas and I got a resolution for you: Maybe in 2024 don't ask questions when you already know the answer.
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I didn't know the answer
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We got The Mummy with Brendan Fraser and Rachel Weisz. That was 25 years ago now.
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God, I'm old.
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I think you grossly underestimate how poorly an Indiana Jones movie would do at the box office without Harrison Ford.
Not because Ford is this amazing actor - audiences wouldn't want to see the movie without him.
I'm kind of shocked the Bond movies got away with this, though.
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Nah, I think audiences 100% would have gone to a Young Indiana Jones movie. Especially if Harrison Ford introduced the story as an extended flashback to transition. An actor accepted as young Indy would be set to play regular Indy in a few years.
You just have to think outside the box a smidge.
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Shoulda cast that guy who played Young Han Solo, put him in a movie as Indy and have him team up with the Rocketeer.
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That shit was so gay that even as a kid I would scream "cute twink!!!" and beat random people with sticks every time I saw advertising for it on my cereal box.
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Rumour is that Indiana Jones 5 introduced Fleabag Waller-Bridge to to take over the mantle of Indiana Jones in future media, as is the trend these days. But that's unlikely now, given the film's disastrous release.
That film should have featured Ke Huy Quan's Short Round as Indy's side-kick and successor. The actor has a good profile without being so big he'd compete with Ford, and his character is beloved by the audience.
Best of all, it would have been an organic, believable, and emotionally meaningful succession. Unlike the artificial female-empowerment exercise they tried to do.
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Fair, having Ford in it at all could work.
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He's dead obviously but I actually quite liked River Phoenix as a young Indy
he really nails Ford's mannerisms
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The Uncharted games are exactly the kind of thing that should have been movies. Imagine if they'd had Nathan Fillion twenty years ago to do a cool movie based on Uncharted 2
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Though the Uncharted movie itself is very bad.
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They made an Uncharted movie last year and it was underwhelming.
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And it was clearly intended to be that kind of IP start, so this is just what the current generation of movie makers is capable of when they try and start a new Indiana Jones.
Didn't seem like you needed to have played the games to get the movie, so it wasn't just a tie in. I didn't think it was that bad but it def wasn't Raiders.
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I haven't watched it in a while but I don't remember the Nazis being all that cartoonishly evil in raiders. They were dumb and brutal but I think their antagonistic role relied on people already knowing Nazis are the bad guys and them trying to get the thing before Indy does. I'm due for a rewatch I guess. One of my absolute favorites.
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Yeah back then you could just put nazis in your movie and everyone knew they were bad. Now you'd have half the audience either being confused because ww2 happened in the pre-TikTok era or trying to argue about wooden doors.
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My lil zoomlets will come to know they were bad because they were not only European, they were Protestants.
I'm going to stop posting/lurking the next couple days because this website is fundamentally antithetical to Christian values but regardless wish a Merry Christmas to my !catholics !followers @Gabriela @X @JoyceChristmasCarolOates and all the other dramatards I end up frequently interacting with. Go be with loved ones and remember to attend both a 4th Advent Mass and ChristMass separately.
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I dunno, this seems like a place where Jesus would hang out. Lots of people who are desperate, on the edge, but willing to listen.
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You take that back! I have never and will never listen to anyone. Frick you, you're not my real dad!
Happy Christmas yer arse, I pray god it's our last.
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What was the straw that broke the camel's back?
I still want to continue a couple conversations we started a month or so ago. I just haven't taken the time to sit down and type out all my thoughts. I hope nothing I said contributed to your decision to leave the site.
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I'm not quitting just taking a break to hang out with my family and not be on my phone. I'm in the bathroom so I broke my own rule already.
But regardless no, you've been completely fine and I appreciate your input when we've interacted. I just don't want to read a steady stream of negativity and hate on Christmas, and that's a huge percentage of what goes on here.
To borrow from your favorite in the Confessions book 2 ch 8
This place would be the equivalent to the "Wreckers", a community that delights in the suffering of others and spurs indifference and nihilism at best, realistically overt racism and hatred (far more spiritually deleterious than an act of petty theft). @Regifter0 this responds to you functionally too.
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Yeah, I completely agree. This crap is not good for the soul. I left for a few months then came back two months ago, but I should probably leave again. I come here to argue (most of what I do on the internet lol) and it's spiritually and cognitively deleterious, both the content here and indulging my penchant for arguing.
I think an even more straightforward theological proposition is to point out that Jesus condemned revilers in the same breath as porneia. Funny how the overwhelming focus these days is on the latter...
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I come here to argue with people I love and at the end of the day after all the times we've told each other to keep yourself safe I know that we'll still be friends tomorrow. It makes me feel better not worse.
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Romans 6:21
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y'all neighbors see the new one where he goes back in time to meet Archimedes
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No. He's older than my dad. It's incredibly depressing that we basically have no chads born post-1970 so we have to keep digging up corpses to be our action heroes
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Didn't read, Temple of Doom better.
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Contrarian zoomer f-slur detected.
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Time for your Aricept old man.
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Nobody pretended to like Temple of Doom until 5 years ago.
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Temple of Doom is unironically the best one, IDGAF what everyone else thinks
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The kid is not annoying at all, and Willie Scott is just annoying enough to be a great foil for Indy. It also has, hands down, the greatest unbroken action sequence of any of the films- the minecart escape, the flooding tunnels, and then immediately into the bridge cutting and alligator pit.
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A dumb whining blonde b-word is better than Marion?
Also he's passing through China and India and he has to settle for a white woman? Just off the top of my head they had Rosalind Chao and Ming-Na Wen available. Just cast a hot Chinese girl and write a character who isn't r-slurred.
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you people have ridiculous standards
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I love that one because it's a good way to learn about foreign cultures
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found the incel
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I'm with you. I think Indy 1 and 3 are better-made movies, but Temple of Doom is by far the most enjoyable.
I also like it because it tried something different in its story and characters. People forget that Last Crusade is, at its core, a retread of Raiders:
1. Nazis want ancient MacGuffin.
2. Indiana Jones is dispatched to find it first.
3. Nazis get destroyed by said MacGuffin because of their own hubris.
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Indiana Jones is a movie about a college professor who molests children, takes advantage of students and heckin' punches nazis.
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Zoomer detected.
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I'm joking you neurodivergent r-slur. Never call me a zoomer again.
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Tfw you're having a "you dropped the /s" moment.
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I just find it funny how Indiana Jones is canonically a child molester. George Lucas insisted on it.
It was a different time.
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Sometimes I regret the internet. When she says "I was a child" I assumed that was metaphorical, like she was 20. Didn't want to know the real backstory.
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My favourite one is Last Crusade. People call the whole father angle a gimmick but I found the chemistry between them perfect and humorous. Also Indy having to take care of like 3 bumbling idiots in the middle of his fights just makes him more awesome. And the christian mysticism is great too. Should have ended there, oh well.
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Yeah apparently there's a lot of internet hate against Last Crusade but I'm watching it right now and it holds up.
The relationship between him and his dad totally makes sense to me. I've got my issues with my parents about things that happened a long time ago but they are real neighborz, dramanauts from an analog era.
Total non-sequiter but if anyone hasn't seen Three Idiots yet, do it now.
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I watched the last crusade before I had even used the internet and I loved it. Probably time for a rewatch.
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I like how they insert Sean Connery to outchad Indy the whole movie. Harrison Ford plays the Gigachad the whole series but having his father be a real life ultrachad come upstage him was a really good meta joke
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Little gimmicks like that throughout the Indiana Jones original trilogy just make it more special.
Also, love the Indiana Jones punch SFX, iconic and kino
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The second one is good for it's accurate portrayal of sexy Indian dudes
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Great opening sequence. Falls off hard after that. Wish it was as racist as soys claim.
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Too bad it wasn't more racism is good and kino
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Red Dwarf this scene but 1000 times better.
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God I fricking love the Ace arc of red dwarf. Too bad it fell off once they got the parallel kochanski
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She had her moments. I think people forget that Red Dwarf was always really hit or miss.
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Maybe I'm special, but I can consistently throw on ajy episode till season 5 and they're ALL classic. God I'm gonna watch it again tonight
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I didn't get that from Red Dwarf. Seasons 1 and 2 were solid, 3 was a bit iffy with its change in tone and characters, but still good. Series 4-6 were absolute kino
It wasn't until the writing partnership of Rob Grant and Doug Naylor broke up that things started going pear-shaped from season 7 onwards. The most recent seasons are dogshit, sadly.
It really is a shame Rob and Doug fell out. They probably should have finished with seson 6, or resolved the cliffhanger with a stand-alone motion picture or miniseries.
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I might be biased because part of it I saw when it came out. I was watching in America where it only came on really late at night so you had to stay up and you had the whole house to yourself. God that was so fun. Watching it now just isn't as special.
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Shit movie
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I got an idea for something you can do thos holiday season:
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This makes me wish I actually kinda went ahead and did the rdrama movie survey instead of doing le heckin' bideo bames.
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Best Marlowe, coming through
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I actually like Powell better. I think he's really great at being a guy who doesn't know wtf is going on 90% of the time and is just trying to keep up.
I love Bogart tho. Like in Sahara when they capture an Italian and he wants to leave him in the desert to die because "we didn't come out here to take on a load of spaghetti".
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Snyakes, motherlover!!! Why did it have two be snyakes, b-word??? and thats the tea, sis
trans lives matter..., motherlover!!! and thats the tea, sis
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Tldr. Ya we get that you don't see the establishment comparing literally every foreign policy position to ww2 as condescending. This is a majority redditor outlook
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Doc oc in the opening scene is kino
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