It's a pretty fantastical movie that obviously shouldn't be taken too seriously. I mean they've got a Nazi army in Cairo in 1936 with panzerfausts and goofy flying wing airplanes. But I argue that it works so well because it does a good of giving the characters relatively realistic motives and abilities.
Cairo 1936.
Right from the start it's already already establishing just what level of badass Indy is. He finds Forrestal's body and mentions how good he was. This tells us if Indy survives he must be even better, but also shows us that he's worried because he knows he's not indestructible.
When he gets back home he proposes going to Marrakesh to steal the idol back from Belloch. The other guy is like "no listen we're going to do even more based than that instead".
Marion is the kind of empowered woman that dumb millenial c*nts imagine they could be. She's cunning and resourceful but also completely helpless if she gets stuck in the wrong situation. She's aggressive with a dash of arrogance and half a cup of crazy but still feminine. She doesn't need a man to tell her what to do but she'll grudgingly follow if one has a good idea. And most importantly she doesn't try to beat men with her upper body strength like foids in post-1990s movies always do.
Karen Allen is incredibly sexy throughout the whole movie even though she's usually fully dressed. Foids take notice: Not being a bimbo is actually really attractive.
Indy is much the same. He reminds me of Phillip Marlowe. He's a really smart guy, pretty tough, knows a thing or two about trouble. But he's not Superman. He lost the idol because Belloch was better at politics and finding allies. He can't win a fist fight with the big buck bosche. He's always either one step ahead or behind of the enemy, using his wits and struggling desperately to keep up. Compare that to millennial slop like the dogshit Jack Reacher tv show where the guy can do anything because he's bigger than everyone else and has magical intuition.
Peepee Powell is my favorite Marlowe.
Belloch is great too. Dude just wants to learn more about God and how the universe works. They can actually have themes more profound than capeshit's "dae think being evil is bad" because the adversary has a motive that we all share and is usually considered a good thing.
A radio for talking to God? My foot is gonna communicate with your butt.
Then there's the Nazis, who Belloch manipulates into being his minions. Unlike him these guys are cartoonishly evil, so we can have our cake and eat it too. Talk with Belloch and slaughter mindless krauts with an SMG. It works because the Nazis really were that cartoonishly evil.
Nazis. I hate these guys.
Finally we get to the really powerful characters in the story. The final boss is God, who is like... imagine you're playing SWTOR and there's a world boss who is level 200. In the end you realize that while we squabble over a box there is someone way more important really calling the shots.
And then the final final boss is the glowies. They have immense power because they're the kind of people who are responsible enough to just put the box away and not open it. God I wish that irl today responsible people actually had power.
Putting the box in another box and returning it to the state it was found in. Really is a Rod Serling/Saki tier ending.
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I hate how the new Indy movies tried to just bank on Indy nostalgia as if it were Star Wars and completely failed to be adventure movies like the originals.
On that note we could have had more Indiana Jones esque movies made since Harrison Ford got old because all that really mattered was having a solid historical adventure story with a popular leading man. The relevant people are too obsessed with IPs and can't grasp the concept of a spiritual successor.
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We got The Mummy with Brendan Fraser and Rachel Weisz. That was 25 years ago now.
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God, I'm old.
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Yeah Indiana Jones and Star Wars were both boomers making up something inspired by what they watched when they were kids. But they didn't worry about getting the Buck Rogers license and fitting in to the Buck Rogers canon and having quippy little callbacks to Buck Rogers. They made something new and even better.
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Indiana jones is just Alan quartermain from king Solomon's mines learn to lit
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The one in 1950 is one of my favorite movies.
Whoever made the trailer must have been from the south because it's actually the least racist movie ever in history.
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Sounds like a white guy from L.A. is the culprit.
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Where does it overstate racism?
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It leaves out all the parts where Quartermain is saying that racism is r-slurred or black people are in control of what's going on, which is about 90% of the movie.
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What were Star Wars and Indiana Jones inspired by? I can't see any parallels.
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IDK about Indy, but the opening crawl of A New Hope is a direct nod to the original Flash Gordon tv shows, thats also why it was "Episode 4" even though it was the first movie. He wanted it to feel like another episode of an ongoing episodic drama set in space
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Wait it was always called Episode 4? I thought that was added on after the prequels
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Im actually not sure tbh. It was probably before then prequels, but after the late 90s 'special editions'.
P sure he did interviews in the late 80s where he said he'd always intended the first movie to be a sort of in medias res thing though
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Yeah it always started at 4, I don't know if he intended to make the prequels at the start but he definitely wanted to make that point that you weren't at the beginning
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Star Wars is very much inspired by 1930s serials like Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon. There's stuff like the wipes between scenes that are meant to make it really obvious. These were shown on tv in the 1950s so boomers grew up on them.
Indiana Jones is based on pulp magazine shit from the 1930s-1950s. Chad goes to an exotic location, ends up killing nazis and fricking some really hot chick.
Merry Christmas and I got a resolution for you: Maybe in 2024 don't ask questions when you already know the answer.
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I didn't know the answer
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I think you grossly underestimate how poorly an Indiana Jones movie would do at the box office without Harrison Ford.
Not because Ford is this amazing actor - audiences wouldn't want to see the movie without him.
I'm kind of shocked the Bond movies got away with this, though.
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Nah, I think audiences 100% would have gone to a Young Indiana Jones movie. Especially if Harrison Ford introduced the story as an extended flashback to transition. An actor accepted as young Indy would be set to play regular Indy in a few years.
You just have to think outside the box a smidge.
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Shoulda cast that guy who played Young Han Solo, put him in a movie as Indy and have him team up with the Rocketeer.
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That shit was so gay that even as a kid I would scream "cute twink!!!" and beat random people with sticks every time I saw advertising for it on my cereal box.
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Rumour is that Indiana Jones 5 introduced Fleabag Waller-Bridge to to take over the mantle of Indiana Jones in future media, as is the trend these days. But that's unlikely now, given the film's disastrous release.
That film should have featured Ke Huy Quan's Short Round as Indy's side-kick and successor. The actor has a good profile without being so big he'd compete with Ford, and his character is beloved by the audience.
Best of all, it would have been an organic, believable, and emotionally meaningful succession. Unlike the artificial female-empowerment exercise they tried to do.
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Fair, having Ford in it at all could work.
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He's dead obviously but I actually quite liked River Phoenix as a young Indy
he really nails Ford's mannerisms
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The Uncharted games are exactly the kind of thing that should have been movies. Imagine if they'd had Nathan Fillion twenty years ago to do a cool movie based on Uncharted 2
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Though the Uncharted movie itself is very bad.
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They made an Uncharted movie last year and it was underwhelming.
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And it was clearly intended to be that kind of IP start, so this is just what the current generation of movie makers is capable of when they try and start a new Indiana Jones.
Didn't seem like you needed to have played the games to get the movie, so it wasn't just a tie in. I didn't think it was that bad but it def wasn't Raiders.
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