EFFORTPOST Saw Oppenheimer with sister last night, finally completing Barbenheimer. Review

Sister visited me midweek, for her birthday celebration later this weekend, and we wasted 3 hours watching the movie. We both deliberately avoided hype and bullshit from others, because talking about mainstream moron midwits destroying any good discussing the film even a year afterwards was filled by subhumans.

So we finally got to it and generally had a good time - i have a very good impression of the movie! And greatly enjoyed it.

However my opinions seem to diverge greatly from others including friends whom had talked about it or recomended it.

First at least 1/2 hour too long - i know i bitched about it in the Das Boot movie, making it seem I innately hate long movies, but I have watched very long movies like Good,Bad &Ugly or LOTR or Dirty Dozen,

instead to me I just despise having my time wasted by junk scenes, or cringe :marseycringe: :marseycringe: :marseycringe: or when stuff just don't serve the narrative story. I know slice-of-life genre movies or TV are popular in their own regard, and that stories dont always need to actually serve narrative, but that doesnt count when you have heavy subjectmatter shit like Oppenheimer :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed:


My opinion seems to diverge from that apparently for many peeps the film peaked in the 1st 2/3rds of the movie, and that the last 45 minutes - when Oppenheimer faces trial/public-censorship due to national secrets having leaked from the Manhattan project to the soviets.

My experience is completely INVERSED! :marseyfsjal: I really disliked the entire 1st Act - the 1st 1/3rd of the movie, but had a pretty great time for the rest of the movie, for the remainder of the last two acts involving the development of the Bomb, and subsequently Oppenheimer's trial and remorse.

My reasons: I understand the 1st act of the film was to build up Oppenheimer's character as neurodivergentally reckless and conflicted, to demonstrate his arrogance, ego and other character flaws, both as a young man, and as someone exploding with ambition, but so much shit is cringe in that act.

When oppenheimer meets important people there's so much fricking quipping James Bondesque fricking dialogue, somebody would say something to our protagonist, and he'll fricking reply in this double-meaning smartass fricking weird manner, which just brought me out of the experience, I don't know how to describe it to you dramattards?

Like fricking normal people do not communicate this way wtf :marseybeanannoyed: Like does every fricking sentence in the 1st half hour of the movie when Oppenheimer meets and rubs elbows with, be in a smarmy double-meaning matter, oh my god :marseyyikes: :marseyyikes: :marseyyikes:

Like literally when i say the movie should have been shorter, i mean1/2hour cut from this cringe 1st act is where you would literally IMPROVE the film, cuz it ADDS NOTHING :marseyrage: :marseyrage: :marseyrage:

Also, holy actual ungodly fuuck, every single scene with the Commie chick which Oppenheimer has s*x with on the screen literally :marseyschizorage: :marseyschizorage: :marseyschizorage: :wolfmarseyfacepeel: :wolfmarseyfacepeel: is like that Wojak with his entire face shotgunned away (does anyone know the wojak/marsey for the one? :marseybegging:)

Like [1] when they 1st meet and have this turbo quippy cringe dialogue where each says this super pretentious dialogue - who tf talks like that?

[2] But the worst was the nudity?! :marseybooba: :marseybooba: :marseybooba: :bigeyes: Like holy hells thank gods we didn't watch this with parents cuz we :marseyyikes: :marseyyikes: :marseyyikes: Was it REALLY fricking important for the fricking film for Oppenheimer to have his fricking "I am become death" during fricking commie-s*x OMG :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: :marseybeanannoyed: That was officially the most cringe scene I have ever scene in any movie this past year holy hells

Like if this was a 10/10, I'd immediately detract 2 points for that batshit scene alone lmoa, into an 8/10, or if it was an 8/10 movie I'd immediately detract another 2 into a 6/10 for that scene alone lmoa, and if it was a6/10 movie..... :marseyinsane: :marseyinsane: :marseyinsane: :marseyinsane:


ANYWAYS, the good stuff. The last 2/3rd of the film was pretty spectacular.

The middle Act, and the hype of building the bomb, the depiction of the quite literal mountains of resources needed to conduct the Manhattan Project, the depiction of the massive inconceivable amounts of expertise and scientific manpower needed to conduct the Atomic project was well done.

Oppenheimer's schizo management of a multitude of interlocking departments, and his navigation of strong scientific and military personalities was well presented. The build-up of the actual atomic testing, his recklessness with a lack of compatimentalization in the face of the perceived need to outmatch the Nazis in the development of the bomb and so on, whatever everybody seemed to like it.

For me I liked the 3rd act, because it was the physical manifestation of his Inner Remorse, the douchebag lawyer interrogating him in an almost comically villainous manner was forgivable for me, because it was the verbalization of his inner conflict, and expression of his remorse made manifested into reality.

I actually liked the AEC comic-book villain , who wanted to screw over Oppenheimer in petty vengeance, because the Actor Robert Junior is so charismatic, when he's not in a fricking Marvelslop :marseydisney: movie, and is gripping when he wants to be. It also drove home the complications of the past an his associations with commie and 5th columnist groups whom had been a perpetual shadow from his past, which reflected actual historic reality.

Other miner scenes, like Oppenheimer's rebufment by Truman, played by Oldman, was also very engrossing and so on, so for me and my sister, the 3rd act didn't drag at all, and was engrossing, compared to the 1st act.

The triple twist at the end, of Einstein not actually having despised Oppenheimer at his lake meeting, but his face felling at Oppenheimer's confession of having initiated a METHAPHORICAL chain of events which would lead to the destruction of mankind, and not a chemical one ,combined with us the audience realizing that Einstein's face did not indicate his dismay with Oppenheimer, but with himself as well. As well as the AEC douchebag character also having read to much into that lake meeting moment,

made it a pretty good triple twist ending for the movie.

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I just despise having my time wasted

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!metashit what is your pet self-delusion?

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I rotate between these 6.

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I liked it. 9/10. Can't articulate why because i'm an uncultured r-slur.

Barbie was a 6.5

Like holy hells thank gods we didn't watch this with parents

Was two hours away from watching in IMAX with my father, but he bailed for some reason I cant remember. Really fricking glad he did :marseysweating:

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:!marseysweating: :!marseysweating: :!marseysweating:

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holy hells thank gods we didn't watch this with parents

Lmao, I watched Game of Thrones with my parents and my sister back in the days the show was on. @kaamrev

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your family are degenerates

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Stop acting like a calvinist cute twink. We weren't children, I was 15 when I started watching (my sister was only allowed to watch on re-watches later on as she grew older lmao and my dad still skipped early seasons pointless nudity)

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My father beat me with a belt if I ever saw a tiddy, even if I saw it during a movie he made us all watch

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Is that why you're gay

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no that was Groomercord

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And now you're a cute twink so the jokes on him :marseysmughips:

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Did it help you all get in the mood or something?

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I watched it with my parents and it was fine.

Although it may have had something to do with my father falling asleep, and my mother gaming on her phone.

Still, watching a film with a s*x scene with parents is cringe but not much more, yet people tend to talk about it like it's something traumatic.

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Not traumatic, just unconfortable.

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Was fricking traumatic to me

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I watched Buno with my dad and brother in theaters and didn't flinch so that's pretty much why I have an account here.

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Also i really hate these memes, I know 1/2 are in jest but i know 90% of morons upvoting them haven't seen the movie

as the entire point and central theme of the 3rd act was the evolution of Oppenheimer remorse, after realizing the far reaching consequences of of not just the singular bomb specifically dropped on the japs, but how his personal actions had heralded an atomic age in conjunction with the reckless pandora's box he had helped open.

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Truman was right :marseygasden:

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ok so He built the bomb to kill krauts, not japs!!! Imagine how youd feel if you developed a revolutionary new termite poison and then they started using it to kill dogs at the pound

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oh god i wanted to kill krauts, NOT CHINKS

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:#soycry:

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>think the jerrrys are making a le bomb

>realize that if we don't have one they'll squash us

>start work on our own

>mfw it's going well

>mfw we're almost done

>mfw we beat the jerrys right before we finish the bomb

>mfw we realize that they were nowhere near being able to make their own

>mfw the idiot politicians decide to use it anyways on a bunch of bugpeople

>mfw some idiot commie decides to tell the ruskies how to make their own le bomb

>mfw there is no face

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:marseypikachu2: :marseyshook:

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Sounds like you've made a darn good chocolate :marseyhank: bar at that point :marseyyourmom:

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We killed more japs in just Tokyo with napalm than the two nukes combined

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To be fair, a lot of those memes were created before the movie came out. People knew the movie would show his remorses over it, and joked about the concept of tackling that. How could bomb that kills millions kill millions!?

I think most people liked the execution in the end.

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The movie is solid. I gave it a 8/10, some people are just contrarian cute twinks. It has cringe nolanesque moments (JFK namedrop, le sexy s*x with Florence Pugh and the destroyer of worlds scene) but it's good.

Correction, he wasn't put on trial, that was a private hearing to renovate his security clearance but Strauss had the other guy had a prosecutor to interrogate and humiliate him during the process and so he would be denied. Not bring a trial meant they could freely through shit at his face as there was no presumption of innocence, like Strauss said "they're simply denying".

like Oppenheimer's rebufment by Truman

That happened in real life. Based Truman was even more vicious calling Oppenheimer "a cry baby and a cretin" after he left.

The build-up to the trinity test was spectacular. I watch the film last year just a day after release with my friends at the movie theater. I remember one of my friends said he was going to sleep then we left and he said he kept binged on the entire movie.

I do have a problem with the Trinity test itself.

This is the actual Trinity Test. Nolan used a petrol barrel explosion instead of CGI. That was a huge mistake as it made the test underwhelming after all that build up. He should either have used CGI or simply remastered the 1945 test footage.

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oh wow what a downgrade

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The nuke scene in the film was incredibly underwhelming compared to the real deal :#marseysad:

I think we need an Edward Teller marsey :marseyembrace: :marseynukegoggles: :marseymushroomcloud:

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>Like fricking normal people do not communicate this way wtf

Correct, but have you ever tried being a genius?

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Yea I sort of agree with you I guess. I went into the movie at premiere expecting to soy out over all the big-name characters and their research and role in the project (which I got to do too), but instead I definitely found the second half to last third the more interesting part of the film as it told a story that I never really heard about. And it was told in a mostly engaging and interesting way that kept me interested despite it practically turning into courtroom drama. Except the fricking 'I have become death' scene. Frick that.

Still due to see Barbie though

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At the final shot, when Barbie finally becomes a human, hits the bong, lets out a mushroom shaped cloud and says "Now I have become Barbong, a postwall white woman" it made the entire theatre rupture with applause

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The film really didn't leave an impression on me. At this point I forgot 75% of it, since I watched it last year.

But, I'll say that I too preffered the bomb and post bomb parts, they felt more impactful and were more emotionally investing. That being said bomb scene itself was rather underwhelming in retrospect, the build-up was much better than the release.

I would probably rate Oppanheimer 7/10, which is controversial I guess.

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the 1st act pulls it rightfully down to 7/10

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I just looked up Oppenheimer cause I always assumed he was some German ESL strag with his "I am become" bullshit, but it turns out he was an American? How did this r-slur who can't speak English build an atomic bomb? Does the movie cover this?

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I haven't watched either of them :marseyindignantturn:

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I really liked the last act too. My favorite scene was the reveal of what Einstein said. "Go ahead, make fun of me for being washed-up. You will be too, some day."

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This is outrageous. My criticism of Israel has very little to do with my rabid anti-semitism.

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