On Self inserts

From Dante to Tolstoy to Dan Brown, it seems like self inserts are and old technique with very different results depending of the author.

What are your favorite and most hated self inserts books or characters?

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Plato writing Socrates :marseysipping:

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That is something I never quite understood. Was Plato quoting Socrates? Or was he using his late mentor as a mouthpiece for his thoughts?

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Socrates never existed in realspace. He was just a trick of the light; a "shadow cast on the wall of a cave," if you will

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I think it's the latter, philosophy (or any kind of debates really) of that time weren't formalized in in the same way as we have it now, so the arguments were presented quite literally as arguments between two people, and Plato wasn't the only person to use that.

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It’s difficult to know I will say Xenophon writes Socrates totally different from plato whose right and whose wrong I can’t tell

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