The Aeneid is also the Roman equivalent of Hotep and Aryan pseudohistory.
>"We do not actually have a concise national epic for our civilization, and we cannot do anything but plagiarize the Gayreeks, so I will just write a Trojan War fanfic where we wuz Romanz n shiet!" - Virgin Vergil
>Modern historians reject the notion that George Washington secretly visited the Igbo people and gave them a blessed saber in order to create the West African Empire.
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I feel bad for his actual wife at having to read her husband simp for a b-word he saw twice.
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The Rick and Morty of his time
Dante, we have to go to Heck Dante
I don't know about that Virgil
Your wife's gone Dante, do you want to live alone
Oh geez Virgil, can't we just hash things out
Stop being an r-slur Dante, you're going to witness God's infinite splendor so help me God.
He even (allegedly) flexes his intelligence and understanding of the science of the time by bringing up different timezones and the differences in star cover, both of which change as he exits heck at a different point on the planet, which of course is only possible on a spherical earth
So you could make an argument that you have to have a very high IQ to understand Divine Comedy
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Satan isn't powerful Dante, just going to rip that bandaid off real quick, he's actually a wimp trapped in ice.
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Didn't the game of thrones guy say the fat guy was a sort of self insert? I never read the books, but I hated that fat useless sack of shit the entire show, who was repeatedly a fat useless sack of shit. If he was anything in the books like he was in the movies, I find the game of thrones writer guy to likely be a fat useless sack of shit.
Yes, I think he said Sam was literally him on an interview. He seemed to have based Sam’s father on his father as well. I never understood why Sam was still after years of living in the Wall.
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He actually said that Bran was the self insert because they both can't accomplish anything without large amounts of help and are handed the world for being in the right place at the right time.
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I think one problem with self inserts is they’re more likely to be made flawless and always correct. I suppose they can be fine so long as they’re properly challenged by the narrative and given a proper arc.
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It requires a level of sincerity and emotional vulnerability which is anathema to most people, a certain distance of perception is required for people's revelation of their innermost thoughts to the world, something which makes it appear as if it's speaking about hypotheticals rather than the actual author.
I think it's the latter, philosophy (or any kind of debates really) of that time weren't formalized in in the same way as we have it now, so the arguments were presented quite literally as arguments between two people, and Plato wasn't the only person to use that.
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Socrates never existed in realspace. He was just a trick of the light; a "shadow cast on the wall of a cave," if you will
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Confederacy of Dunces is essentially a self insert
Conan the Barbarian is allegedly a self insert because Howard got called a strag virgin so much with Dark Agnes de Chastillon being based on the school teacher he dated and when they broke up he shelved the unfinished second book
The Blind Owl is a self insert and is very good
In Search of Lost Time is essentially autobiographical
Self inserts are preferable to proxies given that sufficient sincerity is present, otherwise it comes across as shallow and self aggrandizing. Best to have your self insert novel be your suicide note or obscured enough that people don't know that your talking about yourself.
By the way, as you are brazilian, I recommend you to get a bilingual portuguese/toscan edition. Portuguese and Italian share many similarities, and although medieval Toscan is not modern Italian, it is quite interesting to compare it with the original text, and much easier for those who speak Romance languages to get it faster.
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Member that /r/writing or whatever drama when a guy did a self-insert and got upset when everyone who read the story told him that it sucked because the protagonist had boring personality.
Lmao, the last one. I always thought unless you’re writing erotica, s*x scenes are just pointless, but the way redditors write about it is worse than 50 Shades of Grey descriptions. Can you assign your future posts to /h/lit? Easier for us bookcels to get notifications.
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Michael Crichton using Ian Malcolm as his mouthpiece across two books worth of 🔥🔥🔥 manifestos about genetics and extinction, and successfully selling them to the world by wrapping the sermons in some very kino dinocutery has always been my favorite.
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Increasingly, the mathematics will demand the courage to face its implications
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Heinlein has a few self inserts but Lazarus Long is the funniest because of how far off the deep end he went with the incest stuff in Time Enough For Love.
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Tom Robbins comes to mind, but he doesn’t self-insert as the protagonist. his protagonists are almost always young working class women, and Tom Robbins inevitably shows up as Dr Chad Free Spirit Thunderpeepee who fricks these women into hippie enlightenment. it sounds extremely r-slurred when i type it out like that lmao but i actually think Another Roadside Attraction and Jitterbug Perfume are two of the most enjoyable books to come out of that whole 1960s-70s west coast literary scene.
I often found the Tolstoy self-inserts pretty endearing. They were definitely never my favorite characters in the books but I was actively hoping for them to have a good ending.
I made my dad watch the 2016 War and Peace miniseries and he asked me like two episodes in “Does this guy get a good ending” referring to Pierre saying he didn’t really care about anyone else so I guess the self inserts really speak to some people.
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Bookcels are so pathetic.
Movies will never pull shit like this!
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Was Dante’s “Divine Comedy” the most acclaimed work of fan fiction in history?
Dante not only self inserts, but he puts his hero Virgil in his story, as the woman he simped for
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The Aeneid is also the Roman equivalent of Hotep and Aryan pseudohistory.
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To be fair, Virgil was writing literal propaganda for Augustus so he could go all “we wuz kings”, and he probably got paid well for it.
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Being a propagandist is being paid to make up lies to the public. A true dramachad
Funny how the Roman’s we wuzed the Greeks and then Europeans all over we wuzed the Romans. Maybe one day people will we wuz wall st bankers
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500 years for now it will be “we wuz anglos”
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Where you been? People (and neighbors) already WE WUZ as god's chosen![:marseymerchant: :marseymerchant:](/e/marseymerchant.webp)
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the most acclaimed fan fiction? that would be fifty shades of grey![:marseyblowkiss: :marseyblowkiss:](/e/marseyblowkiss.webp)
![:marseycarpwhip: :marseycarpwhip:](/e/marseycarpwhip.webp)
or the Bible![:marseyweeb: :marseyweeb:](/e/marseyweeb.webp)
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Do you mean the book of mormon?
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I feel bad for his actual wife at having to read her husband simp for a b-word
he saw twice.
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He’s just like me fr
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sick of this COLD BRAINLET TAKE! become an oak tree and feed the harpies at the first opportunity available
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When your fan fic is so successful it establishes the national language
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To be clear, we're talking about Marmojis, right?
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EBONY DARK'NESS DEMENTIA RAVEN WAY![:#marseyemo: :#marseyemo:](/e/marseyemo.webp)
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The Rick and Morty
of his time
Dante, we have to go to Heck Dante
I don't know about that Virgil
Your wife's gone Dante, do you want to live alone
Oh geez Virgil, can't we just hash things out
Stop being an r-slur
Dante, you're going
to witness
God's infinite splendor so help me God.
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He even (allegedly) flexes his intelligence and understanding of the science of the time by bringing up different timezones and the differences in star cover, both of which change as he exits heck at a different point on the planet, which of course is only possible on a spherical earth
So you could make an argument that you have to have a very high IQ to understand Divine Comedy
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Satan
isn't powerful Dante, just going
to rip that bandaid off real quick, he's actually
a wimp trapped
in ice.
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I know this is shocking, but the main twink is actually a self-insert of the author!
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Not a kink.
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Didn't the game of thrones guy say the fat guy was a sort of self insert? I never read the books, but I hated that fat useless sack of shit the entire show, who was repeatedly a fat useless sack of shit. If he was anything in the books like he was in the movies, I find the game of thrones writer guy to likely be a fat useless sack of shit.
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Yes, I think he said Sam was literally him on an interview. He seemed to have based Sam’s father on his father as well. I never understood why Sam was still
after years of living in the Wall.
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He is stealing food
Do NOT trust fat people!
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He actually
said that Bran was the self insert because they both can't accomplish anything
without large
amounts of help and are handed the world
for being in the right
place
at the right
time.
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There's a few characters he's said are based specifically on himself. My favourite is the r-slur who had 4 chapters and then died in hole.
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I think one problem with self inserts is they’re more likely to be made flawless and always correct. I suppose they can be fine so long as they’re properly challenged by the narrative and given a proper arc.
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It requires a level of sincerity and emotional vulnerability which is anathema to most people, a certain distance of perception
is required for people's revelation of their innermost thoughts to the world, something which makes it appear as if it's speaking about hypotheticals rather than the actual author.
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That's an interesting one. Are self-inserts less distasteful and kitchy if they're properly flawed characters?
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That's introspective
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the chad in 50 shades of grey is literally me![:marseyfluffy: :marseyfluffy:](/e/marseyfluffy.webp)
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Plato writing Socrates![:marseysipping: :marseysipping:](/e/marseysipping.webp)
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That is something I never quite understood. Was Plato quoting Socrates? Or was he using his late mentor as a mouthpiece for his thoughts?
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I think it's the latter, philosophy (or any kind of debates really) of that time weren't formalized in in the same way as we have it now, so the arguments were presented quite literally as arguments between two people, and Plato wasn't the only person to use that.
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It’s difficult to know I will say Xenophon writes Socrates totally different from plato whose right and whose wrong I can’t tell
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Socrates never existed in realspace. He was just a trick of the light; a "shadow cast on the wall of a cave," if you will
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Confederacy
of Dunces is essentially a self insert
Conan the Barbarian is allegedly a self insert because Howard got called a strag virgin
so much with Dark Agnes de Chastillon being based
on the school
teacher
he dated and when they broke up he shelved the unfinished second
book
The Blind
Owl is a self insert and is very good
In Search
of Lost Time is essentially autobiographical
Self inserts are preferable to proxies given that sufficient sincerity is present, otherwise it comes across as shallow and self aggrandizing. Best to have your self insert novel
be your suicide
note or obscured enough
that people don't know that your talking about yourself.
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Slaughterhouse-Five has three self-inserts![:confused2: :confused2:](/e/confused2.webp)
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So No Longer Human is the peak of self-insertion?
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Yes.
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Is divine comedy a good read?![:marseythinkorino: :marseythinkorino:](/e/marseythinkorino.webp)
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classics are classics for a reason, im just gonna pretend I didn't read this uneducated question
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rude
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Thats like asking "uuuh is Don Quixote a good book guys?" or "Is the bible even worth reading?". Its just a stupid question to ask.
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Don Quixote is a good book, but if someone asked me I would tell them it's hard to read. I found it worthwhile, but some people might not.
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Inferno is very good. Haven’t read Purgatorio and Paradiso yet.
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By the way, as you are brazilian, I recommend you to get a bilingual portuguese/toscan edition. Portuguese and Italian share many similarities, and although medieval Toscan is not modern Italian, it is quite interesting to compare it with the original text, and much easier for those who speak Romance languages to get it faster.
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I'll look into it in the future. Already got a few books sitting beside me waiting to be read
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Member that /r/writing or whatever drama when a guy did a self-insert and got upset when everyone who read the story told him that it sucked because the protagonist had boring personality.
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How much drama is there on /r/writing? Sounds like an interesting place to mine
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I check the sub for drama pretty often. Here's a list of my posts including the one they mentioned:
https://rdrama.net/post/165477/marseylongpost-rwriting-says-no-to-second/4037776#context
This one is my favorite, where top rated comments dismiss the idea of characters needing distinct voices:
https://rdrama.net/post/165749/marseylongpost-rwriting-actually-characters-dont-need
Also did this one the other day if you missed it:
https://rdrama.net/post/175234/marseylongpost-writoids-talk-about-le-sexytimes
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Lmao, the last one. I always thought unless you’re writing erotica, s*x scenes are just pointless, but the way redditors write about it is worse than 50 Shades of Grey descriptions. Can you assign your future posts to /h/lit? Easier for us bookcels to get notifications.
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Metamorphosis - Kafka
Confessions Of A Mask - Mishima
Ulysses - James Joyce
Thy Tears Might Cease - Micheal Farrell
Those are my fave rn although my most hated is definitely Atlas Shrugged![:marseysmug: :marseysmug:](/e/marseysmug.webp)
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How?
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Not enough scat fetish to be a self insert
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Michael Crichton using Ian Malcolm as his mouthpiece across two books worth of 🔥🔥🔥 manifestos about genetics and extinction, and successfully selling them to the world by wrapping the sermons in some very kino dinocutery has always been my favorite.
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i liked the fractal that kept popping up neat visual
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Heinlein has a few self inserts but Lazarus Long is the funniest because of how far off the deep end he went with the incest stuff in Time Enough For Love.
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Tom Robbins comes to mind, but he doesn’t self-insert as the protagonist. his protagonists are almost always young working class women, and Tom Robbins inevitably shows up as Dr Chad Free Spirit Thunderpeepee who fricks these women into hippie enlightenment. it sounds extremely r-slurred when i type it out like that lmao but i actually think Another Roadside Attraction and Jitterbug Perfume are two of the most enjoyable books to come out of that whole 1960s-70s west coast literary scene.
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'orus 'eresy? 'uts 'at? I'm roitin' me tenth novel 'bout John Grammaticticus innit bruv, 's called 'e 'nd an' 'e deff, 'art 1 an' 2.
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I often found the Tolstoy self-inserts pretty endearing. They were definitely never my favorite characters in the books but I was actively hoping for them to have a good ending.
I made my dad watch the 2016 War and Peace miniseries and he asked me like two episodes in “Does this guy get a good ending” referring to Pierre saying he didn’t really care about anyone else so I guess the self inserts really speak to some people.
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Virgin whining about spoiler vs. Chad Dad actively seeking out spoilers
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Reminds me of my mom, she always ask for spoilers and still enjoys movies/books after being spoiled.
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Levin for instance was the only good person in Anna Karenina. The other characters were all so self absorbed, I think that’s why we root for them.
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Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality is a lot creepier when u read it not as a teenager and realize the writer has a slavery/bdsm fetish 🤨
I lol every time at the first chapters tho
btw I wish Chris Langan would write an epic fanfic about CTMU![:daydream: :daydream:](/e/daydream.webp)
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Nice post, bro! I posted it to twitter.
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They're okay if they're not made super seriously
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