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R/books can’t understand how Orson scott card could qrite enders game when he’s such a meanie
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The interesting part is they critique him on the premise that he is somehow a racist or anti-immigration/anti-multiculturalism. Card doesn't like gays, but he is super-progressive on the things they mention. The whole point of the ender series is that what he did was wrong lmao. I think redditors just don't have good reading comp.
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Speaking of not liking gays, has Frank Herbert been cancelled yet? He had super chuddy social views.
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Frank died before I was born. I don't think anyone cares anymore.
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Dune is still a very popular book series though, and redditors love projecting current year social views into the past.
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I hate Dune because it has no aliens or robots. I hate the Dosadi Experiment because the system designed for producing strong bodies to steal wouldn’t produce strong bodies. It would produce clever and vicious cripples, and a sharp mind is the last thing you want your cattle to have. An Eloi-style human farm would work better for this scheme.
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I've never heard of that. Is that even part of the Dune canon? It sounds like it's unrelated. (Brian books also don't count)
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That’s the Dosadi Experiment, a completely unrelated book he wrote. I presume he was making it up as he went along. He also includes a species of frogmen who ritualistically mass-murder their young and feel horribly guilty about it. I like to think Kermit was one who refused and instead brutally murdered the other Gowachins in the room so they wouldn’t kill Robin. He was tried, found guilty, and subsequently released after his prosecutor committed suicide. The Gowachin’s are proud of their legal system, but it’s really really stupid.
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Okay, but I was confused about why this made you hate Dune. Pretty much every sci-fi author of that era and earlier ones wrote a few hundred books and most of them sucked; that was just a part of the publishing game when they were serialized or dimestore novels
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I hate Dune because there’s aristocrats and no aliens or robots. The Gowacchins may not really work as a society or species, but they’re at least weird and interesting. You could, theoretically, get the entire species to commit auto-genocide through a court case.
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That's part of the appeal, imo. Not having robots becomes an interesting lore point. They're socially forbidden technology that everyone sorta knows of, but would take a huge effort to build. Even today, producing chips is a hugeass multi-national effort that takes huge amounts of manpower. So there's an obvious enforcement mechanism where you can't keep tens of thousands of people quiet who also need a huge variety of specialties from various background and educational levels so you can build processors... and then have to keep all the programmers and IT guys also quiet too.
Not having aliens doesn't have to be explained because it's still possible that there's really not much other sentient life out there. I'd rather that vs some lazy poorly written alien species that really doesn't seem viable.
Overall it doesn't seem world-killing to me among hundreds of books that will lazily use robots/super fast computers/alien technology as basically magic to solve their narrative problems.
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Dune is basically the right wing version of the foundation but leftists don’t have the media comprehension to notice
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Dune is a better libertarian manifesto than anything Ayn Rand wrote.
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I'm convinced it's being low IQ and lacking empathy. It's too much to ask them to consider that someone could have those views and still be a decent person (taken as a whole). That's one of the reasons that modern movies/TV are so boring. You know that you would virtually never have a "good guy" main character who was transphobic or racist or misogynistic. That would put them in the "bad guy" category, where they are beyond redemption.
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Jesus frick all those giant "but muh jk Rowling comment chains
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Jk Rowling refusing to worship at the altar of the severed peepee and the bleeding gash really did a number on these people.
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It's ironic this redditor accuses OSC of lacking empathy when they themselves actually, literally do lack empathy: they lack the ability to empathize or understand the feelings of anyone who doesn't ascribe to their own creeds
Sad
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*casually murders a stranger because they voted for Romney*
Ugh this fascist lacks empathy!
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They deserve it then. The day a Mormon becomes my President is the day I renounce my US citizenship.
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We will rule sooner than you think
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I know a few people like this. They portray themselves on social media as super empathetic, caring for everyone. Frequently making posts about how obviously terrible thing that is happening to people somewhere is terrible and fight for noble causes (by tweeting about them). But the moment something bad happens to someone they don't like, even for the most minor of transgressions, their pure vitriol comes out. It's sometimes shocking how heartless they are capable of being when it's the "right" target.
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I
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Imagine instead of actually discussing the complex egalitarian topics that card presents and how he lived his life seemingly opposed to those values you just end it at "Well he's a nazi"
And Eddings locked kids up in his basement but no one says shit about that.
OH so they didn't actually explore the political turmoil that card obviously struggled between two sides of (as shown by enders siblings, a sort of representation for cards split moralities dueling each other while his pure mind represented by ender is floating, entirely disassociated and far busier beyond the scope of earthly concerns)
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I need to read Speaker for the Dead again.
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Ender is an Ubermensch born to command the largest military in the galaxy. Society rightfully empowered him to defeat the threat.
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Ender is a kid they manipulated and abused into committing genocide, and then blamed him for it.
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It reflects a fundamental immature.
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It really is beyond disappointing
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Isn't that shit only a couple years old? I remember when literal children were bullied and banned from reddit
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movie woz 2013.
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Socially 4chan, Fiscally Reddit
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Jesus really?
Time flys
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I still remember being mad at how bad it was in theaters :(
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I never saw it, i figured there was no way it could live up to my imagination and was afraid it just ruin it for me.
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It’s just not the movie that could be done well I don’t think. Even if it wasn’t atrociously bad I doubt it would have translated well
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They left out most anything that would be difficult or controversial to film, and just sorta tried to do what they could with what was left. It was probably a fool's errand to even try filming a book that's about 60% internal monologue and 25% traumatizing children.
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His book about the castrato is one of the most homoerotic things I’ve ever read.
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He writes a lot of male shower scenes for a guy who isn’t into men. I think Freud might be right on this one
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He was probably molested as a child. It would explain his homophobia.
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Mormons
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Between Songbird, Wyrms, and Treason, his early books definitely cover the spectrum.
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It’s quite possible he was molested.
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Unfortunately as a Mormon that's highly likely
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How so? Is it related to their special underwear?
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Mormonism is much closer to scientology than catholicism. Lots of isolated time with adults in the church
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I hate these people so much.
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Snapshots:
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archive.ph (click to archive)
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I'm pretty sure 97% of /r/books wears cat eyeglasses.
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The Card hate is wild. I see people calling him a "monster" and shit and it's just that he was on the board of an organization that opposed gay marriage. Also, obviously, being able to empathize with someone does not mean you agree with them or support them on everything.
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still need to finish the series, I think the last one i read had Peter and Valentine reincarnated?
the mormonism shrines through, every character of note needs to have kids, Enders parents contemplate having another kid even though the dad is getting old, Col. Graff turns out to have a secret love child that was hidden away for some reason, and Bean’s kids stop by a planet for a while to acquire spouses because they have a duty to pass on their shitty defective genes.
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Hearing these character names again is wild. I read Enders Game/Shadow like 20yrs ago when I was but a lad.
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The enemy's gay is down.
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/r/books is a collection of r-slurs
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