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HN discusses: How bad is supporting NAMBLA, really?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36600219

Context: Samuel R. Delany is a prolific sci-fi author who: is gay, was sexually abused as a kid (but denies it was abuse), and grew up to believe that man/boy sexual relationships should not be criminalized.

READ IT -> I've written about him in an earlier dramapost <- READ IT


Despite his love of man/boy child abuse, Delany continues to have a huge fandom - particularly among people who normally love a good cancellation (again, read my previous post). On Monday, The New Yorker published a charming interview with him which included a reference to him "once praising a NAMBLA newsletter". In reality, he has his own page on the NAMBLA website :marseyglow: and has been very explicit over the years, including this quote from a 2009 biography:

It may seem paradoxical from my statement that generally speaking I think sexual relations between children and adults are likely to go wrong and that most of them are likely to be, start off as, or quickly become, abusive, that I also support a group like NAMBLA—which I do. But that’s because I feel one of the largest factors in the abuse is fostered by the secrecy itself and lack of social policing of the relationships.

Today, The New Yorker piece made it's way to Hacker News. The thread isn't very long, but the takes are entertaining:

I suppose that's another transitive property of support... if I 'support' Delany who 'supports' NAMBLA which 'supports'...

What's "transitive" about Delany's support for NAMBLA? They have one policy and it's in their fricking name.

This was a statement Samuel Delany had well over two decades ago. Additionally it's clear Samuel Delany was himself a victim of child sexual assault if you knew anything else about him.

2009 is well over two decades ago :brainletchest:

What's your problem with homosexuals?

Why are you going digging in for dirt in someone's comment history to defend a NAMBLA supporter? :marseysquint:

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I was so fricking disappointed when I found out Allen Ginsberg was an unironic supporter of NAMBLA. He was my favourite of the Beat Poets, after Kerouac (of course), and I even had front-row seats for a performance of his when in played in my town in the 90s.

I'm pretty vanilla sexually, and while I don't normally begrudge even the freakiest of people indulging their kinks, I do however draw the line at children. Every person deserves an innocent childhood, and the right to enter into sexuality on their own terms.

"Never meet your heroes", as the old saying goes.....

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Imagine ever stanning for Ginsberg lol. Howl was the most obvious cringey shit ever! This shit wasn't subversive it just sucked lol!!

Go read some fricking Whitman for Christ's sake

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“Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy!

Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy!

The world is holy! The soul is holy! The skin is holy!

The nose is holy! The tongue and peepee and hand

and butthole holy!'

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If Whitman were alive today he'd probably be shitposting trad wojak memes

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Like I said Whitman is keyed.

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Nah he'd be at the bathhouses and everyone would request his bottom, the best bottom of all

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The Beat movement was all degenerate whiny addict losers who revelled on selfishness and wordswordswords over how stealing, beating their girlfriends and generally being massive pieces of shit was like societies fault man. They truly heralded the downfall of American society and have been copied by so many hack writers since that anything they did that was unique now looks the way it always should have- utterly derivative vapid bullshit

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The central elements of Beat culture are the rejection of standard narrative values, making a spiritual quest, the exploration of American and Eastern religions, the rejection of economic materialism, explicit portrayals of the human condition, experimentation with psychedelic drugs, and sexual liberation and exploration.

R-slur.

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Burroughs is best beat and not even just because he shot a foid. And even though he was a p-do, I don’t think he tried to justify it. I don’t know though

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