causes massive seethe amongst David Lynch 
fanboys by calling Twin Peaks 
r-slurred 
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encouraged by commentators on Twitter I tried (again)_to watch "Twin Peaks" & gave up after a half-hour. the mystery for me is why people so admire this pretentious slow dull excursion into absurdity in which, for some reason, characters speak painfully as if brain-damaged.
— Joyce Carol Oates (@JoyceCarolOates) February 28, 2024
All her tweets on the matter.
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"she just doesn't get it bro. " 
What's weird here is that a lot of her own work is surreal, has many layers of reality and people who question their own sanity, she uses satire in dark ways, she has been an English professor for decades so presumably knows how to analyze others' art and does so well with Lynch's other work. I'm just not sure what her payoff is in repeating the “brain damaged” line (which seems inaccurate and mean-spirited to me), and it is painfully obvious that she doesn't understand either melodrama or satires of melodrama.
David lynch hates words. Words are her element. Makes sense she doesn't like his dialogue.
If words are her element she should use them better.
These people genuinely think they're some sort of enlightened souls just because they enjoy David Lynch. 
I think there are two kinds of audience (broadly speaking, obviously); the kind that see something that triggers their imagination and sends them into a kind of imaginative engagement with what they are seeing; and the kind that expect what they see to do the imagining for them. Both are valid modes of reception, but the first has the advantage of including the latter in what it can appreciate whereas the second constantly needs to be convinced to remain engaged, and therefore cannot appreciate anything that requires them to imaginatively buy into what they are seeing.
Another user thinks she isn't good enough to critique Lynch. 
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I'm not just saying this as a TP fan, in fact I've avoided saying it because of how it looks, but everything I've seen from her seems to be on the level of a third rate Chekhov or a third rate Shirley Jackson, depending on genre. If someone like Ishiguro said what she said, I'd be disturbed, but I wouldn't pretend to dismiss their ability. Obviously I'm in a minority about her.
Multiple accusation JCO being Dull and Pretentious 
Dull and pretentious is exactly how I'd describe the majority of these tweets.
Says the lady who exclusively writes pretentious slow dull excursions.
JCO is media illiterate as well according to these redditors
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Old senile lady who posts bullshit opinions a lot. She posted her foot one time and it is truly gross
Anyway, lots of "literally who?" comments by the "media literate" intellectuals on /r/DavidLynch regarding JCO. Lots of seethe in the quote tweets as well 
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I didn't realize she was still alive, I thought she was some classic author from the 1800s that I'd just never read. I'm pretty r-slurred lol.
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Same!!! Hahahaha
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shes actually a good twitter follow
shes a cat poster
https://x.com/JoyceCarolOates/status/1766471084637892777
https://x.com/JoyceCarolOates/status/1765796237494652950
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I have a literature
degree 
and i thought 
the same thing. 
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FAKE. DONT NOT BELIEVE HER.
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I COULD HAVE BEEN CALLING TWIN PEAKS "TP" THIS WHOLE TIME
"yeah the show' shitty, it's TP"
THIS COULD HAVE BEEN ME
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I like David Lynch. But I don't like his work.
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Louie is such fricking kino. I don't care that he's a creepy coomer. It's honestly one of the best written TV shows of all time.
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Its a good show! I think the "cinematography" or whatever is really great too. Black Louie (Atlanta) is also pretty good
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Atlanta is a solid 10/10 too. I think comedy-drama strikes the right balance of tones for me. I also really enjoyed Master of None S1/S2. S3 can be thrown in the trash.
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Is that Indian Louie? I only watched a little bit of that one
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Yes it is. Unfortunately since some b-word tried to "out" Aziz Ansari as a s*x-pest (he's just awkward). He felt he had to change what was good about Master of None to atone for his sins I guess. S1&S2 come highly recommended though.
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The Atlanta episode with the rapper character going on public access TV and the fake commercials is one of my favorite episodes of any comedy show.
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is that the one where hes getting weirded out by
s?
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yeah, he makes some offhand comment like "I just heard about them a few weeks ago"
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Story of my life.
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!kino I need your help with suggestions on Lynchkino: is the original Dune worth watching or should I skip straight to the modern Dune movies
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Might be an unpopular opinion, but honestly I think the 1984 film is cringe (even for 80s standards), terribly outdated and only worth watching because is super memeable (Sting in speedos lmao).
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It has some oldschool charm imo. Watch this popular fan edit.
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My fav shirt
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I like his delivery in all his cameos, but I really can't stand his films. Twin Peaks was mid.
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If she actually gave up after half an hour it's not surprising she has a bad impression. Agent Cooper takes forever to show up and it's basically just people crying before that point.
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Waiting for Cooper to come back was a little distracting. I might try watching it again so I can just sit and enjoy.
Mr Jackpots 4 lyfe though
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!bookworms, is she describing Twin Peaks or Blonde?
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its odd that she seems to like lynchs other works when people talking like stroke victims is consistent throughout them
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Me and a buddy went and saw Inland Empire in the theater, and that movie was so completely bizarre that people were walking out halfway through. It was like Lynch cranked up all of the quirks he was known for by 1000% and made the most baffling, incoherent thing you could ever watch. I found it deeply unpleasant, but I also felt like I got what I paid for. It's not like I didn't know what Lynch's deal was before I went.
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That's like all of his work since lost highway. It's all been pretty nihilistic despite his reputation as an affable quirky guy
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Lost Highway, Mullholland Drive and Inland Empire are all about how hollywood is a (probably jewish) conspiracy to funnel women into the porn industry. He has to hide it behind abstraction cause you're not allowed to say any of that outright
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Actually fwwm is depressing too and the retvrn is bleak aside from that looney tunes arm wrestling scene
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Sometimes i wonder
if Thomas Pynchon is actually 
David 
Lynch.
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Inland Empire took me three tries to get through. The whole thing is just unsettling and now i have to explain to people that the scariest thing ive seen in a movie is just some old lady talking like a stroke victim
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You either watch twin peaks and enjoy it 100% or think it's completely stupid and has nothing worthwhile. I've seen very little inbetween.
The fricking seethe from both sides thinking they're gigabrained for their opinions is fricking always good.
Look at the fricking posts on the fricking twin peaks subreddit of everyone soying out over the fricking YouTuber who came up with a fricking theory that explained the fricking whole show.
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Which is funny because from everything I've seen of Twin Peaks. While there is some stuff that is plainly represented, it seems to be more focused on evoking a certain feeling or emotion. But people can't just enjoy things for what they are. They HAVE to know what it all means, almost neurodivergentally so. Just to prove that, yes, I am smart for understanding this.
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I agree. After watching mulholland drive multiple times, I thought the same thing, that trying to find a plain meaning to the narrative would be like looking at an abstract painting and trying to reduce it to the everyday objects it may or may not depict. Sure, you could do that, and some people might even enjoy taking everything literally all the time, but they're kind of missing the point.
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Mullholland drive is abstract cause you can't just come out and say that the jews use the allure of hollywood to funnel women into the porn industry
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Donnie Darko is another one like that. It's just vibes
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I liked the four hour twin peaks breakdown. The guy was annoying, but he did a good job of connecting the symbols and showing how consistently they are used. Gave me a deeper appreciation for Lynch
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I'm glad you got something out of it but don't take it as the only reading of Twin Peaks. Always try and take others ideas, opinions, and considerations into your own thoughts and come to your own conclusions.
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well yeah. like, i pretty much disagree with that dudes whole thesis. but he did a good job showing that a lot of the weird, idiosyncratic stuff in twin peaks and lynches other work is definitely used intentionally and not just there to be weird
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Me every time that guy did a David Lynch impression
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So true bestie.
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Ulysses
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The first time I watched it, I was 14, had the flu, was staying home from school in the middle of March, probably because the women in the preview were hot
The weird Americana/everyone talking like they are stroking out hits different at a high fever
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I'm in between. I love Twin Peaks except for the stupid soap opera shit and no, "we deliberately made it a soap opera" is not an excuse for making those parts boring as frick.
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I dont really know who she is, but kween moment
And with the whole media literacy shit, i want to hear her take on starship troopers
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Ok yeah you're right. I dont. She's a mayofoid, the chance her take is anything other "uh yikes icky, why did you show me that you incel" are approximately
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She should watch Riverdale
That is actually Twin PeaksX1000000 kino
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We are behind
so many levels of irony that i no longer recognize reality.
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i hate redditors. she's clearly got a lot of analysis as to why Lynch's other stuff works. Referring to Eraserhead as Kafkaesque is spot on. She just didnt like THIS one thing
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Not liking Twin Peaks but seeing Eraserhead as anything more than pretentious nausea is either another level of troll or a testament to
being superior to 
The first Transformers movie is much more worth watching than Eraserhead.
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Eraserhead is the one movie I've seen where I thought whoever made this is legit insane in a serial killer kind of way. Specifically that he really really hates babies.
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Lynchcels are incredibly fragile.
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Wtf it's actually
her? I thought 
it was just a random 
twitter 
account lmao
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It's like people who look at paintings and don't understand them.
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Lmao i thought
this was metashit from a comment 
chain 
i saw here recently about twin peaks. But this. 
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I don't disagree necessarily. I've seen very few of Lynch's works but I respect the man's ideas and vision since so much of the media I like is directly inspired by Twin Peaks. He's definitely a master of the visual medium.
That being said, there's a huge subset of pseuds that LOVE Lynch. So much so that I wonder how many have actually engaged with his work? Especially since a lot of it is intentionally obtuse. And just say they do to seem "smart".
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Being a Lynch fan is easy because you can capitalise on the "Lynch isn't supposed to make sense, stop looking for meaning bro. It's just supposed to be like an experience, like being on acid maaaan" sentiment and accuse anyone who asks you to articulate/elaborate your thoughts on his works as being a narrow minded plotcel.
You see it with comments like this.
self-aggrandizing bullshit.
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I feel it goes both ways. From interviews and quotes I've seen of Lynch, he generally doesn't actively try to "mean" anything just bring about images and concepts and connect them together like a dream.
I do think people look for more meaning than there is meant to be. However, you're right in that you should still be able to explain how and why you feel the way you do when you engage with a piece of art, instead of feigning "you're not supposed to get it bro whoa.."
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Where's the lie?
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I like the 90s western Washington vibe so much.
The rest of it is a bit silly
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Western Washington is a fricking shithole. I drove through Longview on a cloudy day and almost killed myself just because it's so depressing.
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Bro Longview is Southwest Washington. It's like a bizarro world where western Kansas was transplanted to a the PNW. Foothills to the Cascade Crest from I90 to 542 is absolutely Gods Country, possibly the greatest geography on the entire planet and I'll die on that hill (and am very sad that it's being progressively ruined)
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i agree with her. twink peaks sucks and is boring.
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I watched it and while I generally like Lynch's works (I think, I've definitely watched a lot of them) I never cared for it much beyond the theme song.
That theme is incredible, carries the whole show. The Xiu Xiu cover album is amazing too.
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Maybe she's talking about season 3 where Cooper is literally brain damaged the whole time?
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Spoilers
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Snapshots:
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That's funny because Joyce Carol Oates's Twitter feed, at times, seem like vignettes from Twin Peaks The Return:
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she just doesn't get it bro.:
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enjoy David Lynch.:
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critique Lynch.:
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Dull and pretentious is exactly how I'd describe the majority of these tweets.:
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Says the lady who exclusively writes pretentious slow dull excursions.:
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The world is full of media illiterate people.:
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That's a British show right? Automatically shitty
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