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Introduction
The early 2000's. Occasionally, a piece of fantasy fiction would break out of the nerd ghetto and hit it big--the crossover appeal of Harry Potter, or the hit film adaptations of The Lord of the Rings. But aside from these occasional breaches, the body of fantasy fandom remained siloed into web forums or in-person conventions that were often invisible to outsiders. Genre aficionados passionately discussed and debated authors who were household names to them, yet who most normies had never even heard of--people like George R. R. Martin, Robert Jordan... or Robert Stanek.
Who?
Well, it was a different time. Could one novelist toiling in semi-obscurity develop a rabid fandom without attracting the notice of the broader SF/F community? It was almost believable.
Almost.
Writing
Stanek's magnum opus, the Ruin Mist Chronicles, is about three heroes--a spoiled princess, a boy mage, and an elf warrior--who go on adventures or something idk. Even people who've read them don't seem too sure. Perhaps a look at Stanek's prose can tell you why.
This is how I write during NaNoWriMo tbh.
When I want an effect like this I just tell the reader to throw the book and yell "BOOM!"
"Slop" would be too kind a descriptor, this is more "sludge."
While there's no place to neatly fit this in, it bears mentioning that Stanek wrote ~4 of these things and has been rereleasing them with different names and covers for the past 20 years.
If people like this post I'll buy one of these shitters and do an actual review. Stanek's given me enough entertainment over the years that he almost deserves it. The snippets I'm quoting were gathered by Rorschach, the universe's #1 Stanek expert (see acknowledgments).
The Stanek Army
These days, it's too easy to pretend to be famous. You can buy followers, pay Indians to comment on your Facebook posts, and even rig chatbots to do your bidding. But when the internet was young, this was hard work!
Most early internet lolcows had only a few sockpuppets, often with their own unique characters and backstories. Traditional sockpuppets created the impression of depth of support, but not necessarily breadth. Stanek, on the other hand, went for pure quantity. But sheer quantity can become quality in itself. He was doing the work of entire Indian click farms or a horde of GPT bots all by himself.
Amazon deleted most of his fake reviews around 2012, but you can spot some of them on the Wayback Machine. Unfortunately, a lot of his best activity is missing completely--his sockpuppets would beef with people on the Amazon forums, and most of that was never archived.
Stanekian socks were also prolific Wikipedia editors. Most infamously, one inserted the following language into Wikipedia's "literacy" article:
Stanek also created a circle of better-developed author "friends" (without pictures, of course) whose blogs were entirely dedicated to peepeeriding him and trashing the dang dirty trolls.
True quality.
Stanek's pseudonyms even included """Emily Asimov,""" who Stanek would really like you to believe is Isaac Asimov's granddaughter.
Stanekian Web Design
There's really nothing else to say here. I encourage you to check both these out and just drink them in, because that little screenshot does not even remotely do it justice:
Stanek's Website (must-click)
Stanek's Website but there's a hyphen in the address and they're different, stg
Note: If the link does not work, manually delete the "s" from "https" and reload the page. Just do not submit your credit card information to Robert Stanek.
The Stanek Forum
A few months back, @HeyMoon speculated that thanks to AI, it is now plausible to create an entire online community with few/no real users. But back in my day, you had to do it yourself!
Enter the Ruin Mist forum. Back before Reddit smooshed everything, it was pretty common for popular authors to have their own fan forums. And Robert Stanek was no exception.
None of the characters on this forum talk in any depth, including about the Ruin Mist books, and all of them sound alarmingly similar.
tolkien's characters and stanek's which ones you like and why?
According to the ASOIAF forumgoers, Stanek does have one real fan: "Sparhawk," the owner of a small a Bulgarian fantasy magazine. I guess there's someone out there for everyone.
The Museum of Stanekian Art
I don't actually think his line art is terrible, but he really never learned how to shade or color. It's got this distinctive smudgy look and is just impossible to read from any sort of distance.
Of course, Stanek knows he's so good at art that he took the liberty of creating graphic novel adaptations.
Lolcow meltdowns
If you defeat enough of Stanek's thralls, you might just get a shot at the Dark Lord himself.
They deleted your reviews, huh?
Robert Stanek, Ace Attorney
Stanek discovers AI
I'd always thought Stanek deep down enjoyed writing his books. Otherwise, why would he have spent 20 years trying to prop them up despite their lack of sales? But unfortunately, the siren song of le AI revolution has ensnared another one. Stanek decided to shit out a 200 page self-help book slathered in AI stank. Fortunately, at least this means we can finally get a conclusion to the Ruin Mist saga.
- "Embrace Chaos, Find Purpose" stands as a bold departure from the conventional narratives often found in personal growth literature, such as those presented in "The Secret" and "The Purpose Driven Life." While these books have their unique strengths and have positively impacted many, our book carves out a distinct path in the realm of self-improvement and personal development. Here's how:
- Rebellious and Unfiltered Approach: Unlike "The Secret," which focuses on the Law of Attraction and positive thinking, "Embrace Chaos, Find Purpose" adopts a more irreverent and unfiltered tone. It challenges readers to confront life's messiness head-on, embracing chaos as a catalyst for growth rather than seeking to control or simply manifest a different reality.
- Active Engagement with Life's Complexities: In contrast to the faith-based and somewhat prescriptive approach of "The Purpose Driven Life," our book emphasizes active engagement with life's complexities. It encourages readers to carve their paths through the chaos of life, fostering a sense of purpose that is deeply personal and evolving.
- Celebration of Individuality and Authenticity: "Embrace Chaos, Find Purpose" places a strong emphasis on individuality and authenticity. It diverges from the more general guidelines of "The Purpose Driven Life" and the universal principles of "The Secret" by encouraging readers to find their unique voice and path, even if it means going against societal norms or expectations.
In the future, if someone ever starts spouting a bullet pointed list at you, start shooting. It's either an AI or a LinkedIn influencer.
Speaking of which, I won't directly link his LinkedIn here due to its well-known glowie properties, this is part of yet another failed Stanek grift.
In 2020, William transitioned into AI research and development, leveraging his expertise to drive strategic innovation and provide visionary insights through his whitepapers and talks. Beyond his technical acumen, he brings a unique blend of creativity as a writer and artist, underscoring his commitment to ethical leadership in the realm of AI.
In the mid 90's, online businesses following William Stanek's original concepts and technological innovations, helped to create the foundations of the commercial Internet. His seminal, early works for Macmillan were the first of their kind and provided the framework for early e-commerce and e-publishing. These same works introduced the concepts and developed frameworks for intranets, extranets, e-books, online magazines, and daily news websites—all concepts years ahead of their time and first published about and developed by William.
While his claims here are obviously full of shit, Stanek does know at least something about technology--his "real job" involves writing manuals for Microsoft products. The rest of his output is just an extremely expensive hobby.
Selected Episodes
Stanek pretends to be friends with Brian Jacques
This one is the Last Supper of Stanek lore. He posted this picture of himself with fantasy novelist Brian Jacques and insinuated that this was a joint book signing. Later, he'd claim the two were besties. Online, everyone accused him of photoshopping himself in. While Stanek did attend the other author's event, he manipulated the image to make himself appear as a cohost rather than a random fan. To this day, his legs have never been found.
The Stanek kids book series
There isn't really much to say about these other than the fact that he shat out like a hundred of them and they're fricking hideous.
Stanek fakes his own death and then just never mentions it again
Goodnight Robert, Goodnight Moon, Goodnight Stars, Air & Noises Everywhere
The sneaky obituary never actually claimed he was dead, so maybe Stanek would have us believe this was a fake retirement? But anyway he forgot about it after a couple days and is back to his usual shenanigans. Welcome back, Lord Stanek!
Conclusion
So, why does he do it? After studying Stanek for many years, I don't know. Perhaps originally he just wanted to entertain people. Or perhaps he thought being a fantasy novelist was easy money. But in either case, when that didn't work, he began constructing an elaborate set of lies--far too many to recount in a single post. While a lot of what Stanek does online is fake, the rage seems real. Stanek knows he deserves fame and riches. What happens when he doesn't don't get it?
Something truly special.
Thanks to the advances of technology, it's now pretty easy to fake a vast following. But Robert Stanek did it himself, the hard way, paving the way for a multitude. Right now there are probably hundreds of Stanek-likes out there, but they miss the pure passion it requires to do it all yourself. I know that Robert Stanek is not really a world-famous bestselling author. But he's famous to me.
Acknowledgements
1. The ultimate keeper of Stanek lore is Rorschach, who runs a literary snark site called Conjugal Felicity. The site springs from the "sporking" community (Web 1.0 litcrit for insecure teenage writoids, and how I got into writing). CF has been updated very sporadically in recent years, but Rorschach recently renewed the domain. With his return, it's a perfect time to get into the wonderful world of Stanek. CF has a detailed 9-part article about Stanek's pre-2012 shenanigans, as well as sporkings of several Ruin Mist books. As of press time the site is down yet again, but most of it is viewable on the Wayback Machine.
2. The Web 1.0 SFF fandom deserves a major shoutout. Traditional forums and blogs are disappearing and everything has been replaced by Reddit, Groomercord, or nothing. History becomes legend. Legend becomes myth. Already, so much of Stanek lore is forgotten, with original sources lost or deleted. As I dug through the graveyard of the internet to create this post, I felt a sense of profound loss. Love to all the people who hung out with their internet buddies and snarked about books before everything turned to shit.
3. Despite the work of my forerunners, it is still impossible to create a definitive Robert Stanek post because the man has been doing this stuff for over 20 years. While some of his shenanigans are lost to the sands of time, there's a veritable trove of unexplored idiocy--books no one's read, blogs no one's seen, angry replies that got deleted. So the ultimate credit goes to Robert Stanek, creator of Ruin Mist!
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Lmao the scott adams of wannabe wandshit
yall remember him gettin caught on alts arguing all over the internet about why dilbert comics were genius or something?
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This is how all true geniuses operate. Half the accounts on this website are just me.
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Not gonna lie though, shoe-horning a mention of your crusty kid-fantasy book in a Wikipedia article full of UN reports and archaeological citations is peak
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>Worldbuild your own fantasy story
>Worldbuild your own fantasy story's crazy fanbase
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It looks like he put more effort into the fake fandom than the actual books.
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Very good post. Interesting.
I'm actually /u/unidan, btw.
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i thought ted simp is unidan
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/DAE Go """SISSYGASM"""WHEn, Bingo ? Thx;
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Did you really make a custom hero image for your ourdrama effort post?
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I didn't have time to explain it in the text, but that's official art of "Keeper Martin," a Ruin Mist character with an obvious resemblance to the author.
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Tbh I couldn't sit still during the summary either.
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That was quite a read. What did we learn? Is he just a compulsive liar idgi
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The early stuff felt more like a marketing strategy centered around an actual product he wanted fame/money from. The later lies got stranger and less connected to Ruin Mist. I think after a certain point, it became a self-sustaining alternate reality to make his life more interesting. I do wonder what his wife and kids think/know about this stuff. They seem happy enough in the pictures.
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Do you know for sure that his family is real?
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Or that it's his family?
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the kids don't know much of anything
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This is a very good post. And I really enjoy the mock article at the top Just like their exposé on Dan Mallory
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Has he actually kept it up for 20 straight years? This one page is super fricking cluttered lol and it looks like a geocities or angelfire site. Surely he's had months or year stretches of getting bored and doing something else?
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He's been a little lower intensity for the past few years, but he's pretty consistent. Always got some new or repackaged slop out, always tweeting and blogging through his various personas. The mass sockpuppet strategy ended around 2012 when Amazon deleted his reviews. You can still see fake reviews and comments since then, but not at the same scale. Instead he's focused more on stuff like the fake author friend group and his kids' series, as well as conventionally purchased follower bots for his Twitter and Facebook.
My title could potentially be misleading. My meaning is that he's created thousands of sockpuppets and other fake accounts cumulatively over the last twenty years, rather than that mass sockpuppeting was his strategy the entire time.
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I figured something like that, because i really couldn't fathom the mental illness of keeping it up for 20 years, on top of writing "250 books" and illustrating chunks of them while still having a job and kids. It reminded me I think of a buffy fan board that had like 50,000 threads and they were all one lady talking to herself.
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The 250 books is one of those lies he tells to sound more impressive. Ruin Mist gets recycled with a new title every couple years, and a lot of the books are just rereleases. But between the zero effort kids' books and the nonfiction manuals, I wouldn't be surprised if he's over 100.
I decided to sort the post based on topic rather than chronologically, since it kept the post from bloating further and allowed me to space funny stuff throughout.If I'd done it chronologically, you'd get a better sense of how his tactics shifted over the years. Part of the tragedy is that Stanek was a famous lolcow in the 2000s fantasy fandom, but Web 1.0 and analog tactics stopped working and he never quite adapted to the newer ones.
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Tbh it's better that way. Astroturfing before you could use bots and hire thirdies is soulful and way fricking funnier. Any loser can just bot their numbers now.
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Aevann pin this
@neoconshill pin this
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Could you get dramacoin doing that ?
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Pretend it's rightoids and then post """drama""" from there for the bounty
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Might be the funniest part of the whole saga. Exactly what the world was lacking, a self-help book that takes an irreverant and unfiltered tone.
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Please do the review of one of his books, that would rule.
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Even the comments are poorly written
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your wikipedia link just goes to the main page
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Rdrama seems to have filtered it. It works in the preview but not in the published post.
Here is an archived version:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181016060402/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Literacy&diff=32436675&oldid=31754424
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@Aevann this is an effortpost please
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I didn't read this but I found the headline interesting
Upmarseyed
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This is absolutely fricking incredible i can't believe I read the whole thing what a guy
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Snapshots:
Robert Stanek.:
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With the corporeal form the soul was offered a place of refuge from torment and within this form there remained bits and pieces of what had once been individual discernment, and this caused them to both fear and greet the return to darkness with an unsettling expectancy that chilled Amir:
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A sphere of brilliant blue-white light enshrouded a body, radiating, pulsating, when the power grew to its strongest in a dazzling array that when sent racing towards his foe turned night into day as opposing forces met in full fury.:
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Robert Stanek's success certainly has put the indie book scene on the map. Before him there was no indie book scene like there is with music and movies. Now there is... and his success has been the driving force behind it without doubt. His success also makes him a target of big publishers (and some authors) who don't want indie books to succeed:
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you can spot some of them on the Wayback Machine.:
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...Illiteracy is one of many themes in The Kingdoms and the Elvesof the Reaches books by Robert Stanek. In the books, many do not know how to read because there are no books for people to read. The only book most people have access to is the Great Book, which discusses the history of the realms and the laws of the land.:
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One of those writers Robert Stanek helped was me. After being laid off from my job as a teacher, with a newborn at home and alone after my husband abandoned us, my baby and I were a few unemployment checks away from homelessness.:
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"""Emily Asimov,""":
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Stanek's Website:
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Stanek's Website but there's a hyphen in the address and they're different, stg:
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Stanek is definetly better than Jordan, Goodkind and Martin and slightly superior for me even to Brooks and recent Eddings. If you take note of the fact that I'm Eddings-biased, the result will be that Stanek is the best current author of fantasy.:
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And Robert Stanek was no exception.:
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tolkien's characters and stanek's which ones you like and why?:
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Stanek does have one real fan: "Sparhawk,":
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Care to buy a print for $200?:
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He should become a self-published "military-scifi" author. Novel series 6253 about "power-armored-ex-convict-forced-to-fight-aliens" still sell like hotcakes.
Because 50 year old boomers love to read stuff like that, just like male teens, vets, truck drivers and basically every other male ever. The audience for Fantasy non-romancenovels is much smaller.
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Yeah, but how much money did he make from his time-consuming marketing?
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Good question. All we have to go on are snapshots of Amazon ranking numbers. The Conjugal Felicity site got into it a bit and concluded he'd sold poorly as of 2010, but the difference between selling a few dozen books and a few hundred is a major one by book standards.
I'd hazard a guess that he peaked around 2002-2005 when Amazon was newer and he stood out by manipulating it aggressively. The new stuff gets very little engagement, nobody's buying his AI self help book or Bugville or whatever.
Keep in mind, being an actual successful author still doesn't make you much money.
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Love the New Yorker bit
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More like the anus of lit, amirite
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