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r/books discusses /lit/'s top 100 books :marseywomanmoment2: :!marseybrainlet:

https://old.reddit.com/r/books/comments/1dy8gy8/for_10_years_now_4chan_has_ranked_the_100_best/

								

								

Somebody went and compiled that last 10 years of /lit/'s yearly top 100 books.

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  • There are now 10 4chan lists which I think is a considerable sample size. My guess is that even given 5-10 more lists, these rankings (especially spots 1-75) will barely sway, which I would not have said about the last list. Also, there are 102 books this time, as spots 15 and 70 are ties, and since everyone last time asked me what books just missed the list, now you'll know (spots 99 & 100).
  • Tiering the books by # of appearances can feel somewhat arbitrary but is necessary to prevent books with 3 appearances outrank those with 10. 8+ appearances felt "very high", 5-7 seemed middling, and 3-4 was what was left, and so those are the divisions I chose.
  • Like last time, genres and page counts were added "in post" and hastily. Page counts are mostly Barnes and Nobles, and genres are pulled from Wiki. Please notify me of any mistakes in the graphic!

Observations:

  • American books dominate (more than last time) with 36 entries, Russian novels (14) overtook English (12) for 2nd place, Germany is 4th with 9 appearances, Ireland & France have 6, Italy has 5. The rest have 1-3.
  • An author has finally taken a lead in appearances with the addition of Demons by Dostoevsky which brings the writer to 5 appearances. Then are Pynchon & Joyce with 4 each, and Faulkner at 3.
  • The oldest book is still the Bible, but the newest book has changed completely, from what used to be 2018 (Jerusalem by Moore is no longer on the list), to now being 2004's 2666.
  • 20th century lit has only gotten more popular, rising to 63 appearances. 19th century has 23, 17th has 3, and both 18th and 21st have 2. There are 5 books from BC.
  • This list is more diverse than the last, if by a bit. 2 New Japanese novels make 3 total (though Kafka on the Shore was lost), a first Mexican novel Pedro Páramo, the first Indian entry (though a religious text) with The Bhagavad Gita, and I was pleased to add Frankenstein, which adds a new female writer and brings the total (though Harry Potter is now gone, so the # of female authors drops with the loss of Rowling [ironic]). There are, again, 3 women authors on the list, and 4 books written by women - as Woolf has two.
  • The longest entry on the list has changed from the Harry Potter series (4,224 pages), to In Search of Lost Time at 4,215. The shortest book also changed from Metamorphosis (102 pages, still on the list) to Animal Farm at 92. The longest single novel on the list is Les Miserables at 1,462.

The highest rated books on this list that weren't on the last are The Sailor who Fell From Grace with the Sea at 61, and Demons at 64.

Genres, though blurry, are Literary Fiction at 12, Philosophical Fiction: 10, General Fiction: 10, Postmodernist Fiction: 8, Modernist Fiction: 7, Science Fiction: 6, and Epic Poem: 4.

GG effort :marseyclapping:


Choice comments:

There are almost too many Dostoyevsky books. He is certainly the most "fetishized" Russian author in the West, especially with younger people (maybe 2nd to Nabokov). Don't get me wrong, his works are very complex and profound. But I can almost guarantee you that some of those books are on the list only because people were trying to outDostoyevsky each other. Having read Crime and Punishment or Brothers Karamazov is no longer edgy enough, so they diversify into more fringe works. If they had read them, it was for the purpose of name dropping. Also, how many of them read the Bible cover to cover? I am certain there is a lot of cultural and social pressure (on that platform specifically) towards naming some works/authors over others. So you could say almost the entire list is name dropping.

Dostoyevsky is edgy? :marseyconfused:

open list

Lolita at 3rd

Infinite Jest at 6th

total of 4 female authors

yep, that's a 4chan list

:#soysnootalking:

4chan is literally just reddit for nazis change my mind

Alright I was gonna' be smug about this but the last time I posted on /k/ I was dabbing on how r-slurred the Krauts were for planning a mainland invasion of the USA during WW1 and the whole thread devolved into screeching about Jews. :marseydepressed:

Bit of a sausage fest.

:marseyfoidretard:

I won't be giving any authority to a list by people who clearly don't read diversely. I know the stats on men not reading books by women but still 5/100 is a bit of a joke

What are some books that you would've liked to see on the list?

Edit: No idea why this is being downmarseyd. Legit question, and very much interested in new books to read or perhaps seeing books I've already read in a list.

Emma, To Kill A Mockingbird, The Handmaid's Tale, The Colour Purple, Jane Eyre, Beloved, Middlemarch (although it's not to my tastes haha).

Would also replace The Waves with Mrs Dalloway and move it way further up the rankings

Alrightly, gonna' remove these books from my reading list :marseynotes:

4chan... Nah I'm good.

It's a much better list than this sub could come up with, I'll give them that.

I think this subreddit would have significantly greater diversity. This list is like all white men.

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96 books by men to 4 books by women.

And Virginia Woolf is in at 56

:soyjaktantrum:

Thanks for sharing.

A couple of notes:

Pride and Prejudice and To Kill A Mockingbird are two noteworthy misses that help explain the groupthink that contributed to this list.

A Stephen King would've been nice.

Why no Peepeeens?

Maybe controversially, I think a Game of Thrones belongs here. I can also see why it doesn't.

:soysnootypefast:

Three female authors? That's some list.

:soyjaktantrum:

This list is a bit... insecure.

:soyjakanimeglasses:


Also a /lit/ reaction thread to the reddit thread.

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>Three female authors? That's some list.

It says a lot about foid writing quality that the only woman author I can remember off the top of my head is rowling :marseyrowling:

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why isn't my favorite erotic novel on the list?

:marseywomanmoment2#talking:

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I don't mind George Eliot. Virginia Woolf is also enjoyable. Flannery O'Connor is a truly forgotten gem.

Jane Austen sucks though. She's writing a parody of genre fiction that's gone out of style for nearly 200 years. The jokes fly over the reader's head. At least with Pynchon, I know I'm getting that and for every 10 I miss there's one super obscure math/history reference I spot that makes me chuckle. Shelley is also overrated, co-opted by feminists who have to insist that she invented all of science fiction full stop, instead of acknowledging that it's a genre that grew and expanded, with no exact origin and numerous different authors contributing along the way.

I think the biggest problem with female authors is that they're pidgeonholed into writing works that explore feminism. Yeah sure there's male authors that explore what it means to be a man, like McCarthy, but most are more interested in exploring different subjects. Be it Clarke questioning the future, Nabokov exploring love, or Joyce examining all of human and Irish existence, these are stories that go beyond.

It's not even the authors' faults, mostly. Publishers won't publish and reviewers won't sing your praises as a woman author if you're not writing either female misery porn or modern feminist girlboss dreck. Imagine if every male author had to write books where the principal villain was always Satan. That would get old quickly, and the books would all blend together as religious tripe That's basically what women have to do, replacing Satan and demons with the patriarchy and chauvinist men. You can't write about other, potentially more universal topics. Even genre authors get crushed. Margaret Weiss is one of the titans of classic high pulp fantasy. The Deathgate Cycle might be the finest series playing things completely straight, with everything after either having to be meta, genre-savvy, or ironic. But no one in the Reddit/Tumbler/Twitter book world today respect her as a female author because she didn't write about women being women in a man's world.

Speaking of fantasy, I'm surprised /lit/ never latched onto Titus Groan. It's prose is just as dense and good as anything in the Western canon, and utterly impenetrable to the casual reader. That or picking Malazan Book of the Fallen to be contrarian in terms of greatest epic fantasy novel against the Reddit-tier schlock that dominates discussion,

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Jane Austen isn't a great writer, but she does at least deserve credit for really inventing modern conventions and narrative style

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Malazan Book of the Fallen

The first book was great, everything after was a slide into incomprehensible. Awful series of books, complete waste to read

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:marseydisagree:

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It's legitimately awful

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Weiss also had a man to straighten out her fembrained ideas. Star of the Guardian is very good in a lot of ways, but it really emphasizes how much she needed Hickman.

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Deathgate cycle so fire. I should reread that shit, but book 1 is a bit meh. Everything else though :marseychefkiss:

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Ursula Le Guin is pretty goated

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Tarded*

"What if le BIPOCs were actually the smart ones? Bet you didn't think about that, chud"

And the "correct"/obviously intended take on omelas is just braindead

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Uhh I just read earthsea and liked it so stfu?

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You must have blond hair and pale skin

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:marseychadyes: Yes.

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She proceeded to shit all over Earthsea in the 4th book LMAO and completely ruined it

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idk I was a child :marseyvargfinnselfdefense: idrm whether I read it or not

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Earthsea is my favourite kids/YA series. Especially the first two books of the trilogy.

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She proceeded to shit all over Earthsea in the 4th book LMAO and completely ruined it

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I can also name Jane Austen :marseycool2:

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You don't know Jane Austen or Mary Shelley at least?

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Nobody outside of burgerland has ever heard of these people

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Neither of them are even American

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all of the anglosphere is burger adjacent

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Can non-anglos even read though

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Every country in the world belongs to America

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It mostly tells me you're a massive r-slur

My favorite foid writer is James Tiptree Jr

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Clarice Lispector :#marsey57:

Also, Paulo Coelho is a man but his books are all foid adjacent and might as well have been written by a woman.

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The Handmaid's Tale

This choice comes off to me as like saying "Why is there no pulp on this list? Wheres the comic books? Wheres Brandon Sanderson?"

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I'm a huge Sanderson fan, and I fully recognize that his name should appear nowhere near this list.

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I'm a huge Sanderson fan

Why would you ever admit this?

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:#carpwhip:

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It's the only book reddit foids and feminists read besides fantasy and genre slop so they conflate it with being "high literature".

The Handmaid's Tale is such a :marseymid: book but redditors insist on Atwood being a literary genius !bookworms I remember the threads on Nobel Winners where :soysnoo: would ask "why doesn't Margaret Atwood win? She deserves it!"

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My retelling of Handmaids tale:

>It was all good. Until it wasn't.

>Women had to go back to the kitchen.

>But I was special.

>I got to cuck a fat woman.

>Literal freedom from slavery via dancing in skimpy outfits

>Seduce literal teenage boy and run away to Canada

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The book was so forgettable and fumbled so bad I forgot that offred killed herself in the end.

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she offred herself

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Atwood was fetch until 2014.

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>erm, is the bible REALLY a top ten

as an anon from the thread said, yeah. It has stuff like

1 Corinthians 13

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

or

Mark 15

Save thyself, and come down from the cross

Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias.

And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.

And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.

And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;

(Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him;) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.

These thousands of year old passages have more feeling and human soul than 10,000,000,000 different modern slop novels combined.

Only Hairy Maclary can come close to the complete feeling of humanness

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Its essentially a philosophy book, but redditors cant help but be simultaneously smug, pleading and paranoid when they suggest that not putting The Hate U Give in #1 is insecure

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Lot of words for no

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if you boil it down those passages are uninteresting garb breh. If all it takes is to write in old english, well even AI can do that now

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Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

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The Song of Solomon is a beautiful love poem. :marseycry:

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Lot's polycule is better

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Best book series of all time has already been decided !zoomers @lain

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:#marseyhesright:

DQ was the absolute shit. I bought as many as I could from the Scholatic Book Club and finished the rest off myself. Book of Monsters had sick art too. DQ2 also good.

BUT Rowan of Rinn by same author was also also good...at least for the first few books.

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:#marseyagreesuperspeed:

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Skullduggery Pleasant

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I would read these to my younger cousin when he visited lol :marseywholesome:

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the PS2 game were good shit

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Reddit thinks Handmaid's Tale is among the top 100 greatest works of literature of all time lol I now understand why esoteric neighbors think mass literacy was a mistake

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It's not even in top 100 dystopian sci fi or whatever.

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Someone linked /r/books top 200 and hitchhikers guide to the galaxy was number 1 lmao

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Lol the absolute state of redditors asking why the :marseyhandmaid: b-word isn't included


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Infinite Jest is bad read my porn instead

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https://www.listchallenges.com/reddits-top-200-books 4chan found the reddit list:

>harry potter

>cat in the hat

>dawkins

>douglas adams

>catcher in the rye

>1984

Grade school lit

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Interestingly, that came from a thread in 2010, which explains why it's even more dominated by Anglo men than /lit's/. Sure shows how time has changed, but Reddit only having the maturity for books assigned in middle school remains constant.

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All of these are astroturfed to heck. If they aren't a literal groomercord :marseynominers: gayop (this is several years, at minimum all without vote-counts but some counts are faked too) then the bottom :marseyllama3: half has less than 5 votes so is basically arbitrary. You also have a fricked time between :marseyzeldalinkpast: troll :marseyrage: votes and organising tiebreakers so anything :marseycoleporter: beyond :marseynietzscheretard: a consensus top 10 (which is always memes :marseycdmai: de jour) is impossible.

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/lit/ is known for being faux intellectual, and even attempting to compare Hegel, Das Kapital or Industrial Society and its Future to something like Frankenstein or Moby Peepee does not help their case.

It's better to look at this list as just a list of good books to read (with some exceptions)

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It's better :marseygenetakovic: to [the thing the list is for] :marseymindblown:

There's nothing wrong :marseyhyperthonk: with pseuds having fun with books, more of this would :marseymid: only be good and you steamroll over the high/low brow distinction which is at least as important as the genre split, probably more so if you want to judge :marseyaisha: people

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Lits top 100 is a meme itself. Clear depiction :marseyfirehead: of 20 years of faux posturing what is good lit.

Kill all YA authors, but god darn stop telling sub 100 iq r-slurs to read Gravity's Rainbow. The current voracious readers inhale YA slop and have mini strokes with anything :marseycoleporter: complex.

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/lit/ has always been remarkably good for the site but it has a massive meme problem :marseycanofworms:

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It's all "what makes me look sophisticated but not too pretentious" titles


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>"bottom" marsifies to :marseyancap:

!bottoms what did they mean by this?

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That's my favourite Marsey :marseyadmire:

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shit taste

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:#marseyancapheart:

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Murry Rothbussy is the patron saint of femboys

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Yeah I'm sure these guys all actually read Proust and Finnegan's Wake.

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More than zero would've, there's practically nowhere :marseysal3: for people to discuss books :marseymoreyouknow: without being elitist :marseycountryclub: heck or full or horny :marseygunnut: foids :marseyblobbygirl: so you do get lots of genuine lit majors on the board :marseyrdramahistorianschizo: (failed/burnt out/unemployed in particular)

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I made it 5 pages into FinBIPOC's Wake and I'm pretty sure I hold the world record.

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I tried Proust's "Swann's Way" and couldn't finish it.

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Lmao @ the chud wandering in range of the orbital lasers

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>best books ever

>lolita

:marseynooo#ticer:

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An anti-p-do book by a guy who was molested. Whats your problem?

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:marseysu#rejan:

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AI generated list. Way too accurate :marseyxd: https://i.rdrama.net/images/17205222722456858.webp

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notes from underground anywhere near top 100

:#marseyno:

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That book hits close to home for many 4chan users.

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The problem with /lit/'s top 100 is that no perspective you are ranking the books explains why The Bible is always in the top 10.

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the good guy is good because he loves you, and the bad guy is bad because the book says so

Was the Bible written by a bpd foid?

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It's loaded with plot holes, character inconsistencies, contradictions, a complete lack of understanding of science, and the protagonist is actually the antagonist while the antagonist does almost nothing wrong.

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Is god a bpd foid?

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Religions are built on the fear of being punished by a bpd foid with omnipotent power who's watching your every move

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That pus must be outta this world tho

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Yes, it sucks.

If they want to site it as a culturally significant book, yeah, sure. I'd be in the top 3 no doubt. But then if we are looking at that then you'd have to get rid of half the books on there.

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>top 3

You can't understand the background and allusions made in nearly all western literature over ~1500 years if you don't know at minimum the outlines of the narrative portions. What other works can make such a claim?

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The trojan cycle :marsey300:

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As far as the Western Canon goes, yeah I would say it's the Bible followed by the Trojan Cycle. Gilgamesh maybe?

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When you read old dc comics they reference homer, the aenid, and the bible alot along with some other classics. Like youd have a superman comic with an insert saying "wow this is a journey more epic then the odyessy with battles more epic then te lawerence and heroism more mightier then Achilles!!!") and this is when DC was publishing like Batman vs Rainbow Monsters or the The Day the Flash weighed 1000 lbs so its not like these stories are being written for smart kids it was just assumed even the 7 year old kids would actually know this stuff. !comicshitters

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I forgot you're like neurodivergent about comics

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My whole profile is themed to an obscure superman character :marseystreaky: :marseyautism:

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Where :marseydrama: is magic :marseythegrey: tree house :marseyvampiremerchant:

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The Bible is one of the worst books I've ever read. Why is it at 10?

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It's a very influential book that has historical importance just by how influential it is, but the reason it's on the list is because 4chan is full of Tradcath larpers. :marseyjerkoffsmile:

If you read the Bible as just a book it's a slog to read through. :marseydead: Oh you want to read John's kino doomsday revelations? You have to read through the blessed begats first. :marseysleep:

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t. filtered

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If you want to read books, there is no more important book to read first than the Bible.

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Hard to differentiate between r-slurs, trolls and r-slurred trolls sometimes. :marseyhmmm:

But we're online so I think it's usually :marseycope: that they tried to pick up a Bible and start cover-to-cover but couldn't understand because they didn't want to put the effort into contextualizing the historical timeline/factions so that they make sense, assuming they're literate enough to have opened one up to begin with.

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Yeah honestly short of like the few remaining true classical works (Plato, Socrates, Homer, Gilgamesh), literally everything in the Western Canon originates from the Bible. Heck I'm reasonably sure that the term "Western Canon" has biblical roots.

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it probs got upmarseyd by the cringeationist 4chuds

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:#soysnooseethe:

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this is by far the worst comment i've ever seen. Delete it.

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:#marseyfuckyou:

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:#marseyfuckyou2:

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Brothers karamazov is good, but not number 2 good, lol.

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>last time I posted on /k/

Keep yourself safe :marseydoit:

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I read pure slop. You'd all die if I told you the books I've read.

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Lay it on me neighbor. :marseyviewerstare:

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Yeah well mine's in the right hole. :marseyindignant:

If I didn't take a piss I would have beaten you :marseydepressed:

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yurs has marleys interspersed throughout, so urs is the superior post.

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The fact that Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe got such a high spot on the list makes me heart :marseyastolfo: happy. Like one of the Redditors :marseysoypoint2: said, a little :marseyapplejackpixelart: too heavy :marseysac: on Dostoevsky (and Das Kapital :marseyxd:) but other than that I can definitely respect :marseybowing: this list.


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I really think Twilight should be on the list.

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I've read like 10 of these tbh

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Naomi Novik Ilia the only foid author I'll read, at least in fantasy. It's not like I'm going to read JKR's detective shit or stageplays at this point.

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