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!bookworms !ringbearers a thread on works of fantasy and mythology. Either to discuss plot, characters, motivations or give recommendations if you have them.
Also, as we now have a ping for Tolkien legendarium's fans I would like to mention I'll create one for ASOIAF as TWOW gets closer to publishing, I'll call it asoiafcels, or maybe create the ping this year because we don't know if TWOW will ever get published 
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Platysfield lore theory: what if the Transmonks elder teamed up with House Soren to overthrow the platy monarchy to restore Sorensfield and start a schism within the Transmonks Palace
!g*mers !soren do NOT restore Sorensfield 
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If we wanna discuss fantasy
how about the fantasy 
of a man becoming a woman 
ami right 
!chuds?
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I remember finding Literotica when I was young and naive, and there was this story about a guy who gets enslaved by some kind of Amazonian society.
I kept waiting for the s*x, but instead there were just all these detailed descriptions about how they made him cross-dress and changed his name to "Petunia."
When do they get to the fireworks factory? Still mad at these people for wasting my fricking time
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And what about the fantasy of a man becoming a piece of bread?
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That's reality not fantasy
get your bread 
and drain them scrotes 
dry of their money 
queens
@C333 love sucking peepee
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Is body horror fantasy now?
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Funnily enough, plenty of stuff like DnD has gender swap potions that instantaneously change your s*x,but
cute twinks arent interested in that because it denies them their brave,incredible journey.
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Kirkbride's elder scrolls lore, a synthesis of hindu (kalpas, cyclic universe, vivec
) , gnostic (broad strokes of the common creation myth, ontic and moral dualism, secret apotheosizing
knowledge)(im bout to CHIMMMMM), thelemic (vivecs 36 sermons are teaming with crowley references), christian (the tribunal trinity, prophesied martyred messiahs) , probably jungian (archetypes as real spiritual affects), and more (like Ragnarok) I didnt catch. !nwahs tell him
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Yeah Elder Scrolls lore is fantastic.
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So good, I wrote my college application essay about reading tes lore lmao
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Elder Scrolls I think is the golden example of fantasy lore because its so weird and immaterial that it can be applied in almost any way to allow any kind of story to be told. Like with Tolkien's lore you kind of have to write a Good v. Bad adventure story, and with ASOIAF's lore you kind of have to write a epic dark drama. But Elder Scrolls keeps things like magic, theology, and government ambiguous in a way that allows for any kind of story to be told.
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in fact there's basically no tes "canon", kirkbride wants it to be open source/ c0da. even within the games, with dragon breaks and vivec's reality retcons, theres no single idea fans must be beholden to
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Well, what are some good fantasy books then?
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!bookworms give this man your recommendations
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A land fit for heroes - basically Gay conan the barbarian, where the Korgoth dude prone-bones twinks instead of broads
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Straggotry
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^^^ !gaystapo assemble ^^^
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I read about half way through book 1 and was really bored.
The author sprinkles graphic s*x scenes in like he's an hbo director. It's entirely unnecessary and (ironically
) turned me off.
Also nothing was happening. I don't want 4-5 pov characters in a 200 page span. Instead, let's choose the one or 2 good characters and stick with them. Advance the plot please!
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DISCLAIMER: This is a joke and a gross exaggeration, not all fantasy is lowbrow trash (anymore) but I felt like being an elitist today (like all days).
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The first three black company books are pretty great. Just started Malazan and it seems alright so far.
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Malazan is the chaddest series out there.
Sanderson's cosmere stuff is good if you want something lighter.
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The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson. It was written before The Lord of the Rings came out so doesn't copy from it like most other fantasy, but the author was pulling from the same corpus of folklore and epics that Tolkien used for inspiration. So it has elves, trolls and magic yet is drawing inspiration directly from Norse and Celtic mythology, heroic epics and Greek tragedy rather than those elements as filtered through Tolkien.
It follows a half Anglo-Saxon, half Norse human who was taken by elves/fairies as an infant and replaced with a changling, who after growing up comes across a dangerous sword deliberately broken by Thor and journeys to have it reforged. It is set in dark ages England while the Norse were still raiding and making colonies, Christianity is introduced and making headway but not the dominant religion of the land, there are sidhe running around, Norse gods are active, and so on.
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I liked the dagger and coin series. The way they set up the fantasy races was interesting (eugenics experiments by ancient dragons) and I found the main villain was amusingly neurodivergent and unaware he was the villain for most of the series.
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Villains that are just heroes from a cynical perspective are the best but so rarely well written
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It's a pretty wild arc for him, he stumbles into a position of authority, neurodivergentally misreads the situation and does something insanely brutal but logical, which nets him a position of higher authority. He repeats that process a couple times, with all the other characters assuming he's some briliant schemer when in reality he's just trying to do his best.
Also one of the other main characters is a banker who invents fiat currency during the course of the story.
That all sounds wacky but it's all played pretty straight and serious.
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Dragonbone chair by tad williams.
I like it cuz it brings the reader into its world. Theres a respect for the lore that fascinates me.
The characters are generally interesting and the villains are pretty scary 😱
Some big battles and a few action scenes but it's not really about killing people or being a badass.
There's also not a ton of magic or magical bullshit. It's tolkeinesque (in a lot of ways if I'm being real) in the way magic is handled.
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The Quran
Edit: I liked the Black
Company by Glen Cook but I only read 2 books 
in the series
The Dragons of Autumn
was a DnD book series 
I liked as a teenager.
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Or The Bible
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NO MY HOLY BOOK IS BETTER
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This but unironically.
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@C333 love sucking peepee
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Well obvious ones are A Song of Ice and Fire, Lord of the Rings, The Way of Kings, and The Witcher Books, but these are all pretty surface level. Some good intermediate fantasy series are The Lies of Locke Lamora(con artists), Elric of Melnibone(weird old school fantasy), the Name of the Wind(magic school with cool magic systems), The Book of the New Sun(technically fantasy but really weird), Black Company(grimdark war story), The Blade Itself(grand adventure/epic fantasy), and Malazan Book of the Fallen(grand adventure/epic fantasy) to name a few of the middle tier of popularity.
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For "high" fantasy The Fionavar Tapestry by Guy Gavriel Kay is solid. His other stuff is good too but that trilogy really stands out. Obv LotR/Hobbit.
For "teenage boy" fantasy David Eddings does passably well with the Belgariad and the Elenium series, Raymond Fiest for the Apprentice Mage/ Riftwar Legacy, Piers Anthony with the Photon/Phase series and the Xanth series
The time has come for the Necromaster. The unleashing of the fourth joker's card. The arrival of The Great Milenko
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Fallout Equestria
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My copium is because of the new editions for the series.
The last time they released one of those was a box set of 4 books (from AGOT to AFFC) in early 2011, just a few months before ADWD came out.
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It don't like these new ones but only because the folio covers are 100x better.
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Anyone else hyped for Brando sando? Book 5? Stormlight??
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You cant end your criticism with the reveal that you think his religion is dumb and its the biggest factor in why he is bad, it kind of under minds your whole point.
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I'm a big fan of the greek pantheon and how capricious those gods could be
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Unironically why I prefer the Norse pantheon as characters. (Plotwise the greeks are fun).
The Olympic gods are a bunch of omnipotent insufferable sociopathic c*nts (which makes for juicy and fun stories). The Asgardian gods are more like heroes helping mankind fighting giants and mosters.
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Iron Druid chronicles are a really
good series 
as well. It features a Druid fighting 
with and against many Celtic and other pantheons in the modern 
world 
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Well the Vanir somewhat fit that description, but the Aesir are worse then the Greek pantheon.
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I'm reading
the Black 
Company now. Onto the second 
book, Shadows Linger. Pretty 
good.
I heard
that Joss Whedon wanted to make a movie 
of it years ago with Eliza Dushku in it as The Lady and Soulcatcher . That would 
have probably been shit.
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One of my favorite
book series 
of all time is the Night 
Angel 
Trilogy by Brent Weeks.
Dark fantasy
about an assassin. Really 
good imo.
Magic is there
but it's rare and limited in interesting 
ways.
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God the new book he released after the first trilogy is trash. It really made me lose respect for him in any serious light as a writer.
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Yeah the magic
eyes one? I tried to like it but it was so fricking 
boring. Made me sad tbh.
I don't understand how it's the same writer
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I'm a sucker for the idea of flintlock fantasy. Found out about the Powder Mage Series and gonna try to read that after my current book. Nothing but blasting fantasy creatures with muskets.
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Powdermage starts off really strong but if I remember correctly it ends with a wet fart.
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How many peepees could the average hobbit take at a time?
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The fantasy genre is a dead end. You know what you call modern day fantasy? Science fiction.
They both spring from the same fountain, the desire to imagine a world based on man's weakest abstraction links thinking about what other cool powerful world's could exist.
Today, creatures like Dracula, Hercules, Witches, are no longer relatable to modern audiences due to the fact that the US military from the beginning of the 20th century could destroy all of them with ease.
Fantasy genre was set to be a dead end the moment middle income nation tech could destroy 99% of fantasy creatures without issue. After that fantasy falls outside man's capacity to maintain suspension of disbelief.
This is the same reason why the X-men and the Fantastic 4 will always sell better than the midnight sons.
Science fiction today hits that sweet spot of turning our brains off while still pretending like "it could totally happen and we just don't know about it" that fantasy once used to.
Mythology opinion:
I like Medusa because she makes men hard as stone as her background lore.
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