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Robert Jordan and dude, foids lmao :marseywomanmoment: :marseywitch2:

https://old.reddit.com/r/WoT/comments/1b2qvac/robert_jordan_and_the_women_of_the_wheel_of_time/

								

								

One of the main themes of gender relations in Wheel of Time is that they are fraught. Men and Women across society and generation are at war with each other, treating each other like a different species. The women, almost without exception, independent of age or country of origin, see men as oafish, stupid children who must be shown the right way to behave and tightly controlled. Men, on the other hand, see women as overbearing, stubborn, unwilling to admit fault, and bossy. Personally, I find this extremely tiresome, that every character is so lacking in awareness and self awareness that they can't come to understand any members of the opposite s*x. Robert Jordan writes dozens of times throughout the books across every male character how incomprehensible women are. I think he might just be telling on himself. Or, I suppose it was more common in his time to boast about such things. "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" and all that.

The main issue with Robert Jordan's portrayal of these characters, though, is that in his writing he goes out of his way to show that the women are irrational, lack self-awareness, willfully stubborn, and hypocritical. Nynaeve is obviously the most extreme example, but all of the other women display this to some degree. They will have a thought about how infuriating some aspect of some other character is, and then the next sentence is them displaying the same trait. Robert Jordan is playing this for laughs, I think, but he doesn't do this with the same frequency or intensity with the men. He plays the women's inconsistency, irrationality, and hypocrisy for laughs. He rarely does this for the men. As a result, as a reader, it's difficult to not see Robert Jordan taking sides implcitly in the "man vs. woman" war he's written. The women are usually wrong and refuse to admit it. The men are right that the women are irrational. This goes in the reverse order only very occasionally.

>:#marseychonkernoticemetalking: why aren't the Foids on this Fantasyslop Mary Sues?

!bookworms !foidmoment WoTcels thoughts? I never read the Wheel of Time but I always love the drama it attracts. Was Jordan /ourguy/?

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>The women are usually wrong and refuse to admit it. The men are right that the women are irrational. This goes in the reverse order only very occasionally.

When the science fiction hits too close to reality :#marseypipe:

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Cara, as guria, kkk

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This type of thinking is a corporate conspiracy, it means that people prefer new slop to anything older than a couple of decades and the standards constantly move for new slop to be sold. Stay woke by staying chuddy

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I don't think it's a corporate conspiracy, in fact corporations are shackled to """problematic""" old IPs because they are afraid anything original will bomb

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>The main issue with Robert Jordan's portrayal of these characters, though, is that in his writing he goes out of his way to show that the women are irrational, lack self-awareness, willfully stubborn, and hypocritical

I hate to use the term but this moron is media illiterate. I have never read TWOT because I'm not r-slurred, but I'd wager that this is done on purpose to show how the society around them makes woman act this way, and its a reference to the general idea of the story that imbalanced society of any kind makes the top dogs really power hungry and awful to be around. Now I'm sure Robert Jordan handles this poorly, because he is Robert Jordan, but his intention was not to, "make woman look bad".

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@kaamrev is that so? :#marseythonk:

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Jordan was just a bad writer. Every page is full of braid tugging and characters thinking "wow the opposite s*x sure is crazy!" Shit writer with a cool story somewhere buried under his god awful writing.

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