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Dude what if mountain lion... has daddy issues????? :george:

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!bookworms LOOK AT WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING :marseytrollcrazy:

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The worst part is that I might not have written this off if I hadn't just read that awful blurb. All the Pen Faulkner winners in the last ~10 years have been ethnic grievance books, but some of them were still very good.

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I really like the James Tait Black Prize, pretty good track record for over a century, more interesting than the Booker Prize. Seeing this be shortlisted is :marseyladybugconfused:

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What are some good James Tait Black winners? Looking through the list, I've only read a few and they were all good.

The Booker winner and shortlist books I've read lately have been mostly dogshit ( looking at you underground railroad, exit west and finkler question ).

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Recent winners or from the entire history?

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I'm interested in any that stick out to you from the entire history.

My favorite two I've read on there are White Teeth and Waiting for the Barbarians, if that helps.

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I like Waiting for the Barbarians too.

I was just going to list the authors I like but it was nearly half the list, so just picked out some favorites. Didn't bother with well-known authors like E. M. Forster.

I read mostly older books and a lot of women authors, so the list skews that way, sorry. I assumed you were American, or at least not British, and I also discussed some publishers, so sorry if come off condescending if I explain something you already know.

  • E. H. Young, Miss Mole - Would be considered a woman-ish, domestic book. Young is what I would call a "Virago author" - middlebrow, domestic settings, mostly British and Irish- I love 'em! (Not every author Virago published is a "Virago author" though)

  • Kate O'Brien, Without My Cloak - Also a "Virago author", but the author's books aren't so domestic-y

  • A. G. Macdonell, England, Their England - Funny book but unless you are British or read a lot of British books from that period, you probably won't get much out of it

  • Winifred Holtby, South Riding - Middlemarch-esque, maybe a minor classic of 20th century fiction in Britain? (It's been adapted for TV twice)

  • L. P. Hartley, Eustace and Hilda - Very good, but actually the third novel in a trilogy. The entire series has been collected in one volume and re-published by NYRB Classics (they re-issue books that are "forgotten classics", at least in America. Many good gems found in their catalog)

  • Margaret Kennedy, Troy Chimneys - Kennedy is a "Virago author" but this book really rises above the genre (it's a historical novel about a man, for one). After I read it I was sad that it had been out-of-print since Virago re-published it in the '80s. I was so happy a couple years later when the New York bookstore McNally Jackson started to publish their own series of hidden gems and Troy Chimneys was one of the initial books offered.

  • C. P. Snow, The New Men - hate Snow, and his little wife too :marseyhissing:

  • Ivy Compton-Burnett, Mother and Son - You either love her or hate her. Books are very dialogue heavy, and the dialogue is funny and witty, but also mannered rather than natural. She's had two books from a long bibliography put out by NYRB Classics (as well as by Virago) and then they stopped, wonder if they didn't sell well. If you ever read one and don't like it, don't bother with anything else because her books are all very similar.

  • Rose Macaulay, The Towers of Trebizond- Another author published by both NYRB Classics and Virago. Easily her most well-known book (but my favorite by her, and one of favorite books overall, is Told by an Idiot, sadly out-of-print)

  • Angus Wilson, The Middle Age of Mrs. Eliot - Wilson's books are wonderful black comedies. NYRB Classics has published one of his books, which is how I discovered him and am thankful for.

  • Jennifer Dawson, The Ha-Ha - Probably one of the more obscure winners. Interestingly, had an old novel republished by Virago as well as two new ones. Of the two book of hers I got a hold of, I enjoyed The Ha-Ha and loved The Upstairs People.

  • Muriel Spark, The Mandelbaum Gate - Not sure if Spark is considered too well-known to include but she's a favorite author of mine and I always recommend her

  • Elizabeth Bowen, Eva Trout - I recommend Bowen but not this book, her work before the '50s is better.

  • Beryl Bainbridge, Master Georgie - Nominated a lot for the Booker but never won. I prefer her books set in more contemporary times, but her historical novels, one of which is Master Georgie, seem very well-regarded.

Haven't read as much non-fiction winners, but I do recommend Lytton Strachey and Hermione Lee for people who enjoy biographies in general, as well as Lord David Cecil, Victoria Glendinning, and Claire Tomalin for people who like biographies about British authors in particular.

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Great list, thanks. I'm interested in the Ivy Compton-Burnett book, will report back once I've read it.

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Full disclosure I had to look up the past winners

  • Empire of the Sun

  • Crudo

  • The Corrections - not one of my favorites but it's beautifully put together and sort of a neo-classic. Also Johnathan Franzen picked a fight with Oprah because he was mad that she recommended it since she has shit taste.

  • If you don't already dislike Barbara Kingsolver and aren't embarrassed to read NPRcore, Demon Copperhead was surprisingly good

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The Corrections is one of the few I've actually read. I liked portions of it a lot.

The only Kingsolver book I've read was Poisonwood Bible and I hated it so I'm gonna go ahead and skip that one

I'll check the other two out though.

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So it doesn't have the same sort of arm's-length abstraction and overly lyrical prose that made Poisonwood so annoying, but you still might not like it.

I don't really understand why she attracts so much praise, but it was the best novel of hers that I've read, and the least up its own butt.

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It's queer cause it fricks human men

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Picked this up from my local library and read it in a day :marseyreading: :marseymoreyouknow:

I like the way it's written, it reminds me of a worse version of No One is Talking About This (which I actually liked). It sometimes manages to sort of feel like a mountain lion's :george: internal dialogue mostly through formal elements (limited punctuation & short, punchy paragraphs).

However, the plot is r-slurred. The first half is kind of cool, it's just the lion being a lion in Griffith Park :marseylion:. Then about halfway through the book completely goes to shit. Some gentrifiers set a wholesome homeless encampment on fire and the lion jumps on one of the :marseystinky: to put him out and another :marseypoor: throws a bottle at the :george:, chasing him off. The fire gets out of control and drives the lion into the city. He shacks up with a neglected high school girl, living first in her house's crawlspace, then with her in her room when the crawlspace floods. This is all very dumb, but the book's ending is offensively stupid. The lion is in the girl's car, caught in traffic, having been caught in the house by the housekeeper, when he spies the gentrifier who burned down the wholesome homeless encampment earlier. Overcome by bloodlust, the lion opens the car door and pounces on the gentrifier guy, killing him instantly. The way this is written makes it feel like a juvenile revenge fantasy where we are supposed to be cheering the lion on. It's a childish, stupid ending.

There are a few more things I want to note without this becoming a full essay:

"if you feel alone in the world

find someone to worship you"

  • Lion implies climate change is making fires worse and rain scarce, but is < 5 years old

  • Too much cutesy shit like calling LA "ellay" and mishearing scarcity as "scarce city". This is completely unbelievable from the perspective of a mountain lion.

  • The queer lion shit that the book blurb hypes so hard is barely in the book and feels more a product of the lion's profound loneliness and isolation than anything else. It's a lot more interesting in that regard than I expected

I think there's something here and Henry Hoke has some talent but needs a :boomermonster: editor instead of :ramonajak:

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!slotsmb237 :marseywereback: nevermind :marseyitsrigged:

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…So what are the odds the lion fricks or gets fricked by humans?

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