I finished the first 3 parts of Brothers Karamazov (1880) by Dostoevsky, there's still part 4 to go which are roughly around 330 pages on the edition I'm reading (out of 1,000 ), so I decided to take a break for it before taking it back again (to read "The Luzhin Defense" by Vladimir Nabokov, a short novel just over 200 pages long but that's the subject of another discussion).
This is the second Dostoevsky book I've read, the first being "Crime & Punishment", but Brothers K is the one widely known as his magnus opus. Some Dostoevskyan themes are repeated like prostitutes seeking redemption and murderous buttholes with a supposed heart of gold. This is a 19th century novel so foids suddenly suffer from "hysteria attacks" which are dealt with as an actual pathology/disorder
The story centers around 3 brothers, the children of Fyodor Pavlovich Karamazov (a ghastly paternal figure with no redeeming qualities besides being occasionally funny). They are; Dimitri Fyodorovich (the eldest, an army officer, a libertine, and a drunk brute who can't form coherent sentences)
Ivan Fyodorovich (r/atheism of the 1870s personified)
Alexei Fyodorovich (known by his nickname Alyosha, a saint of pure heart who wanted to become a monk before his personal hero told him to leave the monastery and see the world).
There's also the servant known as "Smerdiakov", who's heavily implied to be Fyodor's bastard with the town simpleton. His late mother who died at childbirth was mentally disabled and pretty much everyone in town suspects Fyodor r*ped her.
Before reading it I was familiarized with the passage of "The Great Inquisitor", which is a made up poem summary made by the character Ivan and usually hyped up as this great philosophical moment. It was a 20 pages ramble on the existence of God (succeeding another 20 pages ramble Ivan was spouting before).
The plot of the novel is simple. Dimitri is supposed to marry a fine woman but instead squanders all his money and hers on booze and whores, he ends up falling in love with Grushenka, the town bike, but it turns out Dimitri's dad is her sugar daddy.
This is a 19th century mystery crime novel, so everybody keeps foreshadowing out lout and with no subtlety that Dimitri is going to kill his father (he even beats the crap out of him at some point). The day before the crime the servant Smerdiakov (totally not the real murderer) tells Ivan that Dimitri knows the secret knock to enter his father's house because he told him so (supposedly was coerced to do it) and that on that same night he would suffer from an epileptic attack and Dimitri would enter and kill his father.
Mitia shows up at night, leaves with some money and bloody, buys a bunch of booze and goes to meet Gruchenka who's with a bunch of poles partying on a nearby town. The police arrives a few hours later and is heavily implied on Mitia's analysis that Smerdiakov did it but he acts like an r-slur during his interrogation dooming himself.
There's a bunch of other side stories, some of them amusing, others are just filler, and other details about Dimitri's interrogation and the crime scene but I'm not going to write an entire book out of it lol. I was wondering if the translations helped this book to become famous. I'm reading the Portuguese translation by Paulo Bezerra made for "Editora 34", it's the newest translation available and supposedly quite faithful to the original. The dialogue comes off as clunky (especially Dimitri's) but that could be incidental by the author.
So you guys may ask, is this book good? Is it bad? Is it worth a shot?
If you're familiarized with Dostoevsky and enjoyed his works you'll love it, but I feel like at least a couple hundred of pages (or maybe more) could be trimmed without making much of a difference. Maybe I'm too much of a to get his philosophy on how Christian Orthodoxy
is the best thing ever and how the Russian folk is so pure. I still have the last part to finish but it's obvious Smierdiakov did it so is not really a twist.
Also, I have to say that Grushenka is a much entertaining whore than the saintly Sonya from C&P. She's unapologetic and is quite funny when she tells Alyosha she's totally saved and will leave her old life behind after a 5 minute talk with him.
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OMG YOU'RE BACK !bookworms the King Book is back
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I haven't read any Dostoyevsky, but I actually had the thought to try and read some of his works. Do you think Brothers Karamazov or C&P would be a bad place to jump in? I've heard plenty of discussion on 'Notes from the Underground' and 'The Idiot' too.
I have basically zero experience with Russian lit other than Tolstoy's 'Ivan Ilyich' and the Pathologic video games.
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I started with C&P and it's a good novel, though it takes time to start up like those 19th century novels are
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Start with Notes from Underground, it's short and the clearest explanation of his philosophy. It'll help you understand his other work.
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Brothers Karamazov or C&P are both fine points of entry, C&P was my introduction to F.D., but they are both kind of big time investments. I would maybe recommend Notes from the Underground or the Idiot to start with as they're both shorter, and a bit more readable in my opinion. Alternatively, you could check out some of his short stories/novellas, like White Nights or the Gentle Soul/Meek One first.
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I never read "Notes from the Underground" so I can't vouch for it but it seems to be the recommended starting point.
I thought C&P was better than Brothers K, but that's a personal opinion. C&P is not perfect but it's sort of a satire on pseudointellectuals and "this is so deep" types(the main character is a student who murders an elderly moneylender and her sister to steal her cash and because of some article he wrote for a magazine where he presents his idea of an ubermensch not bound by morality like Napoleon) .
But if you wanna test other Russian lit, I always shill for Chekhov, he had great short stories and was quite prolific.
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I've been unable to get through all the character introductions of that one. I've been like 150 pages into it two or three times now. I've read C&P and the Idiot and liked both, as well as a good chunk of Tolstoy's books. But TBK has failed to hook me.
I assumed I'd get hooked easily by a book that had this banger in the opening chapters...
"Fyodor Pavlovitch was drunk when he heard of his wife's death, and the story is that he ran out into the street and began shouting with joy, raising his hands to Heaven: "Lord, now lettest Thou Thy servant depart in peace," but others say he wept without restraint like a little child, so much so that people were sorry for him, in spite of the repulsion he inspired. It is quite possible that both versions were true, that he rejoiced at his release, and at the same time wept for her who released him. As a general rule, people, even the wicked, are much more naïve and simple-hearted than we suppose. And we ourselves are, too"
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It's defenitely the one that I liked the least of his big novels. I honestly had pretty much forgotten the entire plotline until I read your post even though I read it much more recently than C&P & The Idiot
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I do admit Brothers Karamazov has some
moments like this one where Mitia begs Mrs. Khokhlakova to lend him 3,000 rubles and she tells him to work searching for gold and get rich with it.
This is the funniest "vai trabalhar seu vagabundo" I've seen in literature.
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Yes, I have read the entire thing, though it's been a while so my memory of it is a bit hazy. I wouldn't say it's overrated - it's often overlooked in favour of Notes, The Idiot and Crime & Punishment, I think because they're much more readable - Crime & Punishment for example is really much more focused on puzzling out its central dilemma through the conscience of one character, which is easier to follow than the more Tolstoyesque construction of Brothers which has a lot of characters, each with steadily unfolding interconnected plots.
It's long, but I couldn't think of a tract I would do away with. I remember thinking that the Alyosha plot was a distraction, but it's ultimately resolved really well imo and arguably leaves a bigger impression than the whole Grusha/Mitia affair
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This is different from modern day how?
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Demons is his only good work tbqh
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Didn't read, dunno what any of this is about, have an irrational hated of brothers x ever since The Brothers Garcia
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The admins have not intervened in the powermod issue since before the time I was Reddit CEO.
My advice (if you really want them removed) is to troll the heck out of them until they're so far on tilt that they end up violating a Reddit rule, and then the admins ban them. However, this is ultimately a destructive, negative-sum way to live.
My better advice is to just go plant some trees. You'll feel good.
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