Wekely "what are you reading" Trhead #91 :marseyreading:

To disucss yuor weekly raedings of books, textbooks, and papres. Speical thanks to @johannesalthusius :marseyheart:

I started "The Luhzin Defense" by Vladimir Nabokov, is a rather short novel, just oevr 200 pages lnog and one of his ealriest wokrs written originally in Russian durnig his tmie in Berlin and published by an emigre editorial. The book covers the story of Luzhin, a Russian grandmaster and child prodigy, I'm halfway thruogh it and the character comes out as atuistic. The trem autism already existed in the late 1920s wehn the novel was written and Naobkov does a great job describing his sperg like behavior (obsessive speical inetrests, rather non-verbal, ashmaed to even talk abuot his chess obsession to the point of becoming a truant and sneaking into the hosue of his aunt who taught him cehss to play with a friend of hres who was a pro). The translation to English was whcih I'm reaidng was published in 1965 by Michael Scammell (a British professor of Russian literature) under Nabokov's spuervision as he took great pesronal care when it came to translations of his own wokrs.

At some point Luzhin finds a wealthy Russian emigre like him (the novel is set in the late 1920s and he came from a bourgeios famliy so naturally he never returned to Russia after the Revolution), at smoe points sh'es annoyed that he never akss stuff aobut her but realizes he cares for her and displays it in subtler ways. Her mom is an old fashioned Russain aristocrat who's horrified by his taciturn behavior and the fact that he plays cehss for a living, at smoe ponit she tells her dauhgter "Luzhin msut be a pseudonym, his rael nmae must be Rubenstein or Abramson" and she also haets the radio calling it a "Jewish invention".

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@Aevann can you :marseypin2: pls

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Two thirds of the way through Gravity's Rainbow, outside of being thoroughly disgusting it has been worth the effort, especially after the first two hundred pages.

I'm struggling to understand if Pynchon is just a coomer, or if the fetish shit is supposed to show the degradation of society or something, or just taboo for the sake of taboo.

Maybe I am just a brainlet. :marseygigaretard:

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!bookworms for those of you who've read Pynchon what has been your impression of his books?

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From Rats, Lice, and History, Hans Zinsser, 1935:

When a work of literature, even if it is written in short, capitalized lines, becomes utterly incomprehensible to the sane and sensitive, it has gone off the deep end.

Why, we must ask ourselves, have individuals of unquestionably great powers chosen to play with their minds like captive monkeys with their genitalia? It would be merely tragic had they not created a sort of "holy-roller" school of followers among the permanent intellectual undergraduates. Wyndham Lewis comes close to a definition when he calls it the "idiot child" cult — the child overshadowed by the imbecile. As we have said, Skinner thinks, in the Stein case, it is conscious experimentation with "automatic writing."

One could also postulate: —

(1)    That they are consciously pulling the legs of the large neo-intellectual public either for fun or for profit.

(2)    That they are suffering from a well-recognized form of exhibitionism — the craving for sensational notice, whether approval or attack. This is the mild derangement that probably explains mediums. It is the impulse that, in a less pronounced form, leads people to write to the newspaper, to lend their names to cigarette advertisements, or to say in print that they "suffered from fits" until they had taken one bottle of Neuropop.

(3)    That they are seriously carrying on psychological experiments with themselves — in which case, they ought to do it in decent privacy, as though they were taking drugs.

Or (4)    that it is barely possible they are yielding to the uncontrollable impulse to expose their own diseases, just as the physically sick like to tell about their operations or their chronic colitis.

If they were commonplace people this exercise would attract only sympathetic attention. These are formidable machines and one wishes the insulation had not burnt off the power lines.  6

However one looks at it, it appears to the medically informed that these people are substituting the spinal cord for the brain, or at any rate are moving down from the frontal lobes towards the basal ganglia.

"You 've talked a great deal," said my friend, "but in the end it comes down to a definition of beauty — doesn't it?"

"Well, give me one," I replied.

"Here's the latest one," he said. "Beauty is the mutual adaptation of the several factors in an occasion of experience. Thus in its primary sense, beauty is a quality which finds its exemplification in actual occasions. Or, put it conversely, it is a quality in which such occasions can severally participate."

"Hail to thee, blithe spirit," I replied. "Bird thou never wert."

"Well, let's go on," he replied. "In order to understand this definition of beauty, it is necessary to keep in mind three doctrines which belong to the metaphysical system in terms of which the world is being interpreted in these chapters. These three doctrines, respectively, have regard to mutual relations (a) between the objective content of a prehension and the subjective form of that prehension, and (b) between the subjective form of various prehensions in the same occasion, and (c) between the subjective form of a prehension and the spontaneity involved in the subjective aim of the prehending occasion."

"Stop," I said. "Is that by Gertrude Stein?"

"No," he replied, "it's by Whitehead."

"Well, I 'll be darned," I said. "I think I've decided that it's perfectly safe for me to go ahead with my biography of typhus."

Indeed, I reflected when my friend had departed, whenever I think about these things for any length of time I feel grateful for good honest diseases like typhus, syphilis, and a few others. You always know where you have them. And if you begin indulging in "whimso-whamso" while you are engaged with them they are sure to make a fool of you by putting you on your back. You either leave them alone or approach them with cautious competence. Think what might happen to our modern critics if the great dead whom they inexpertly dissect could infect them with psychic boils and carbuncles; or if Mr. Joyce's preoccupation with the intestinal functions, or if Mr. Eliot's shadow boxing with passion, or if the lubricities and sexual neuropathies of our too modern writers could subtly invade the brains where they were engendered with locomotor ataxia or paresis. Indeed, for all I know, perhaps they can. And there is no arsphenamin for the psychic treponema.

Typhus is far less perilous.

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tl;dr: @Chapose, what's up with the Snoop Dogg meme? Is this your attempt to be cool or just a sad cry for help?

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!tldr did I fix it finally?

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TL;DR

Loki's rant about literary idiots who think they're above criticism: "They're like mediums, but with more angst and less séances... These geniuses are just a bunch of self-absorbed, attention-seeking freaks who can't even be bothered to get their own diseases right (like typhus, duh). If only their brain-power-hungry fans got the plague, maybe they'd learn to shut up."

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Even the bot aint reading that shit

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Ugh I broke it again 😭

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Gravity's Rainbow isn't that bad, it's easier than Ulysses and most of it isn't that enigmatic.

There's subsubtext that might go over people's heads (my head) but most of the text and subtext is easily readable.

I do agree that this level of density is masturbatory though, both for reader and writer.

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I've only read the Crying of Lot 49 and couldn't get into it.

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Never read 'em, but they sound cummy.

@CumGod, :marseywave2:

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Definitely cummy :marseykink:

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I read Gravity's Rainbow for about 30 minutes and got incredibly annoyed but that was like 10 years ago and I can't remember what annoyed me now

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Ha-ha-ha-have a banana! And then he slipped on a banana peel and flipped into a chair where hungover Monty passed him a smoke and a banana pancake.

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I've only read Inherent Vice, back around the time the movie adaptation was coming out. It was well executed, but I don't remember finding it particularly memorable. Kind of a 70s detective/noir but from the POV of a stoner burnout who's stumbling through the case and only understanding half of what's going on around him at any given moment. If the aim was to paint a vivid picture of burnout/dropout 70s counterculture through a narrative vehicle, it was a success in that regard. I don't feel any real need to re-read it afterwards though.

Finally watched a little bit of the start of the movie version just last week and it seemed to do a good job of capturing the book's vibe for the few min I watched. I like the PTA movies that I have seen, but at the time I wasn't quite in the mood for a pondering character-driven period piece so I didn't watch much more than the opening scene.

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depends on the fetish shit in question - the operating paradigm of fetishes is pavlovian for all of the characters I can think of right now. Fetishes are actually pretty prototypical examples of pavlovian conditioning, with the straightforwards, easily measurable reflex and obvious stimulus. I'm not sure where Hansel and Gretel fit into this, though.

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Getting to the end of the Christmas gift book pile. Just read "Stolen Tongues" a self published novelisation of a Reddit no sleep. It goes on too long and could do with an editor but it was actually pretty scary. The author clearly thought that doing a monster a trauma metaphor which goes away when the trauma is dealt with was the in thing and did that which doesn't work when it has tortured several characters uninvolved in the trauma to death and worn their skin while it savagely attacks the protagonist. It also seemed to trigger /r/horrorlit for the author doing research into native American folklore and incorporating that with native characters knowing best but doing the cardinal sin of being written by a white guy so it is actually deeply offensive.

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self published novelisation of a Reddit no sleep

:marseycringe: whoever got you that gift hates you

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She read it herself and algave it 5 stars so she appears to just have shit taste.

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I agree that this was one of the few horror books that actually felt spooky, and I also can't agree more that it just kept going and going. But overall I'm glad I read it, not a lot of spooky books are actually all that spooky.

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You can tell the author was good at writing creepy pasta. Whenever it's a chapter in a location where spooky things happen it has that feeling of being legitimately scary like a good classic creepypasta but trying to knit it into a novel is where it suffers. I also suspect (without reading the original no sleep) that some of the dropped plot points are because he adapted the no sleep too directly instead of removing parts he ended up dropping.

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Did you pretend to be dead to weasel out of finishing Petersburg? :marseysquint:

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No, I had some actual irl problems which are now thankfully mostly solved and wasn't in the mood for rdrama or for any book at that moment tbh, that's why I asked @johannesalthusius to take over the Petersburg threads too.

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You see kids. Reading won't save you from your problems.

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Not reading right now because I'm looking for another minority to despise and until I find it I've got no history to read

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Abos :#platyaboriginal:

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after watching the tv show

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Read Cordyceps today, enjoyed it. Interesting premise and storytelling, only problem I had with it was excessive use of singular they, but it ends up making sense by the end. Slightly woke but it's easy to ignore. Only noticed one spelling issue despite being ao3slop

8/10

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!tldr cordyceps pls

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It's SCP-ish but less gay.

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Seems pretty gay to me, I'll read it tonight since it's short and will get back to you if I like it. I recommend reading There is no antimemetics division if you like this kinda not as gay SCP shit. It seems similar in vibe

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Already read it and yeah the concept is somewhat similar. The way it's told is very different, though.

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Honestly enjoying this one. Got any more gay web fiction recommendations? It's a guilty pleasure in between real books. I even read fricking worm at work and enjoyed it.

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Here are some of my general slop recommendations - not just webslop.

Okay, #1, and I'm sure you've seen it recommended before, is Mother of Learning. Excessively long and the characters are kinda samey but it's a cool story with an interesting premise and the central premise is something done right that writers NEVER get right, which alone makes it stand out. Give it like 8 chapters before you give up on it.

Rock falls, everyone dies - If you've never read LitRPG before and want to give the genre a try, read this first. It's a good introduction to the genre without being bogged down in neurodivergent number crunching and min/maxing, which is the worst pitfall of the genre. 1 of 2 litrpgs I'd recommend.

Never Die Twice by Maxime J. Durand - The other LitRPG I can recommend. Interesting setting and weird ending.

A Lonely Dungeon by cathfach - if you've never read the "Dungeon Core" genre, this is a good place to start. Since they often include litrpg elements, they commonly suffer from the same problem of neurodivergent number crunching. This avoids that and tells a neat story.

Chili and the Chocolate Factory: Fudge Revelation by gazemaize - the entire point of it is to sneed about Roald Dahl being a heckin chud, but overall it's a funny and well written modern take on the original and not even woke until the very end.

Monster Hunter International series by Larry Correia - just fun to read with neat takes on mythological creatures, especially good if you're an ammosexual

The Dresden Files series by Jim Butcher - Similar to the above, minus ammosexuality

The Gig Economy by Zero HP Lovecraft - dude's a good writer and it's not ultra chuddy like some of his other stuff. Dude lives up to his name imo.

If you don't mind MLP Fanfics I can recommend some SSS+ tier slop

Anti-recommendations:

Despite Worm being great, Ward sucks butt. The author started listening to the fans and he definitely should have ignored them. Nothing but therapyspeak about how heckin traumatized they are

A Practical Guide to Evil is obnoxiously woke and r-slurred overall. No idea why it's recommended so often.

The Perfect Run by Maxime J. Durand - Just stupid.

Wandering Inn - don't even bother.

Devolution by Max Brooks (guy who did world war z) - r-slurred, gay ad for fricking halo top ice cream. Characters are completely fricking r-slurred and I'm still mad that I wasted money on this garbage

Reckoners by Brando Sando - sucks butt, no idea why this guy is popular

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omg nobody cares??

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@Anheroo cares :#marseyindignant:

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Is there SCP but more gay? :ma!rsey173: :mars!eyhomofascist:

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Any scp with a number greater than 1000

greater than 3000 are so gay that they've become IRL cognitohazards

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I'm unironically reading the chud bible

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I read that in my 20s, also this chud classic

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I just finished The Road, I've been on a big McCarthy run lately. Thinking of starting the Border Trilogy next.

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If you haven't read it I'd highly recommend Suttree, McCarthy's westerns are all good thought (No Country is a Western)

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Suttree and the Orchard Keeper are definitely on the list, though I haven't decided if I'll read Outer Dark or Child of God yet. Are there people who claim No Country isn't a western?

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Started "Mark of the Fool" series, some action adventure fantasy slop.

Surprisingly good, hooked my in the first half of the first book. Usually these slop series take me 2-3 books to get invested enough to make myself want to finish it.

The special boy powers are also something to struggle against. You are reminded of every success so you can do many things with perfect grace, but with combat and spellcasting, it makes you remember every failure and breaking concentration. Interesting to watch the loopholes that develop, like using traps, or learning how to perfectly sabotage spellwork by knowing how they can fail.

Finished "Feather Thief" for a book club, great rabbit hole of infodumps. True crime, some neurodivergent in 2009 stole $1MM of exotic bird skins from a museum to fuel his fly-tying hobby and to buy a gold flute. Like fishing flys, except he doesn't even fish.

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I started reading "Idiot" and I think this is Dostojewski's best. I got Lalka because I had to stuff my order for free shipping from used bookstore and maybe I'll give it a read. I remember enjoying it back in school.

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I just read The Mist today. I liked it. I'm a sucker for monsters and this book had plenty of them.

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I started the Iconoclasts series by Mike Shel and have been absolutely loving it. The world has a history I'm super interested in and a lot of the side characters have intriguing stories, like a once great royal who was healed under mysterious circumstances and seemingly went mad from it and has lived well longer than any human should.

It also has a mysterious ancient civilization that is much more advanced than the current one which is a trope I pretty much always enjoy. One of its downsides is the character work isn't the greatest, like but it's not bad either, also it does the fantasy thing where there's a lot of crazy weird names that can be hard to keep track of.

Overall, I'm glad I picked up a fantasy book this time instead of another horror because I was going through a lot of shitty horror books and it was burning me out.

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Has anyone else read 0hp lovecraft's stuff? I read partway through the one with the brain implant and thought it was shit.

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That one's one of his best if you can learn to ignore the emoji imo

Try The Gig Economy. Green New Deal is kinda funny but extremely wingcucked

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At first I thought that the emojis were supposed to represent the brain chip interfering with his thinking but then he hacked the chip and the emojis remained. I used to follow him on twitter until he posted the trans story and it was so embarrassing I unfollowed him.

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Not necessarily interfering but it does represent his thinking. There are a few times where ambiguous wording is clarified by the emoji.

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The best dramatard is back! :marseyastronaut2: :marseyparty:

I just finished Stations of the Tide, which was a very clever scifi novela. Very underrated despite being a nebula winner.

I will be reading the book you recommended me on Afghanistan next

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Read Chesterton's "The man who was Thursday" and Pessoa's "The Anarchist Banker".

Might read "Gulliver's Travels" next.

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I just finished Neil Postman's Technopoly. Not sure I'm 100% bought into the solutions he outlines in the final chapter, but man are his arguments prescient. His predictions about the direction discourse would take (outlined in far greater detail in Amusing Ourselves to Death) are spot on, as are his observations about how technology will subsume all culture. Postman's ability to find relevant quotes is uncanny.

Great book for pushing people towards the Ted-pill :marseyunabomber:

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:#marseyklennywinner:

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