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I don't think you should unban her, but you should keep your promise and take the titty pic down. After all, if you can't keep your promises to her, how do we know you can keep your promises to us? This isn't really about Transb-word, this is about maintaining your reputation for integrity, which is really important (especially for people with antisocial traits, which is most of your community).
Nobody says you have to uphold the spirit of your promises (in fact, if Transb-word is behaving malevolently you should definitely exhibit some malicious compliance yourself), but you should at least uphold the letter of your promises. It'll show the rdrama community that you're reliable and give us more trust in you.
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This makes zero sense. He'd be more untrustworthy if he took the pic down, because that would make him someone who caves easily to threats from lunatics.
Oh no, Aevann lied to someone threatening the site with terrorist tactics
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It's easy to keep your promises to people you like. The true test of integrity is whether you can keep your promises to people you hate.
For example, the reason Hamas will never have a permanent peace treaty with Israel (and why all Hamas supporters should be exterminated like the filth they are) is because they think that just because they hate Israel, it means they don't have to honor their commitments and peace deals with Israel. That makes them untrustworthy and now they're eating the consequences of that.
The question here shouldn't be "Is
@transb-word a good person?" because everybody thinks that they're a good person and the other side is bad. It should only be "Did Transb-word live up to her end of the deal or not?" If you don't think that you need to uphold deals with people you hate then you're completely untrustworthy and I would never do business with somebody like that because they could always find a pretext to slander me as a "bad person" in order to try to weasel out of our business deal, like Kesha did to Dr Luke.
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I didn't read the receipts so I have no idea what was or wasn't promised but I just want to go on record saying that in the past I've advocated for the deletion of the moobs pic behind the scenes without anything being offered in return because I just think it's the right thing to do ✨
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Well I disagree with that also. She posted the pic, so that's on her. Don't post stuff online if you don't mean it. Personally I stand behind everything I've ever posted to this website and I wouldn't ever request deletion.
But while I may not believe in any of your so-called "moral values," I do believe strongly that any agreements made without coercion should be upheld. It's one of my most redeeming qualities TBH
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Just because something can be done doesn't mean that it should be done or that it's right to do so, though.
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Right or wrong is all subjective, but keeping promises and obeying the law is objective.
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Subjectively speaking, I should not refuse to take a shower for three weeks and then go see a movie in a crowded theater. There are no laws against it, but it's a pointless, peepeeheaded thing to do that serves no actual purpose and simply diminishes the quality of life of other people. I am capable of doing it, the law allows me to do it, but I should not do it. While the “should not” is technically subjective, any coherent system of morality also necessitates that I don't.
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Wrong: you only say that because you subconsciously perceive the people in the movie theater as being friends rather than hostiles
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Do not engage this dude. He is morally ok with raping children and kept pumping that bird girl thru tears and sobs. He has the moral fortitude of a shellfish
Trans lives matter
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that in itself is wrong: if someome is actively blackmailing me then I might choose lying to them as the retribution
trust is earned, not a given after several account of backstabbing
you can preach "keep ur promise" all u want if u have no hostory or have no breach of trust then sure I'd agree
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@Bookers is inclined too agree with you that 'its the right thing too do'
But - youd also have too heavily moderate and probably temp ban everypony who posts it though and @Bookers think thats where it gets trickier than just "removing it from the site" or whatever
Like you'd have too start handing out bans too people who post it. And @Bookers think that's sort of where the line is.
@Bookers stand with israel
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that's nice sweaty
but SPAL just compared transb-word to Hamas 
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You're so sweet
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Btw they are BOOBS not MOOBS and they are fricking perfect
Hiding this perfect pair of supple breasts is literally trans genocide
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Yeah I agree there.
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Go off king.
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If even the father of WPD school shooters can be a fricking decent human being then what is your excuse???
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Wrong.
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!mottezans !metashit !r-slurs pseud but also true facts
dropped 
by King R-slur 
of Frick Mountain
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lol what do you mean
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Wrong
Spal IS frick mountain
not of frick mountain
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Well I do sometimes go hiking at a mountain called "Old Baldy" so maybe
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Please don't say stuff like this; I don't want to take credit for mountain fricking when I haven't managed to earn that achievement yet. Someday...
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Wrong
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simp
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Krayyon toucher
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As a fricking user I give much more of a fricking frick about the fricking admin being able to find out if there's an exploit putting me at risk. This isn't geopolitics, there's a fricking way to go about these things. As an admin you look much much worse if you cave to someone's demands immediately after they broadcast to a fricking public groomercord server that they have an exploit for sale
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Exactly. There's a specific code of ethics so that administrators AREN'T put in these situations and tbs male brained terrorist
narcissism wrecked them all for a feeble amount of attention 
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Yeah, but Transb-word initially tried to fix the exploits (admittedly at a cost, but it was a fair and reasonable one). If Aevann had simply paid her what they agreed upon then she could have become a useful asset to repair exploits rather than causing them. That agreement would have made all of us safer.
Instead Aevann pissed her off so yeah, she went rogue. I would have done the same thing in her place. If I'm a weapons dealer and I offer to sell a suitcase nuke to the CIA, then they better fricking pay me what they agreed to for it or the next suitcase nuke I find goes straight to Al-Qaeda, you know what I mean? This is the same principle. If we want people like Transb-word to behave in a prosocial way that benefits us then we need to make it worth their while.
To be clear, I give zero shits about Transb-word as a person, but it's hard to find an exploit that Aevann missed, and I think that's worth paying a bug bounty for.
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pay them with what? they did it for the lulz.
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With the favor that she was promised: taking down the boob pic. Have you not been following this drama from the start?
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yeah that sounds reasonable considering the history of this drama.
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tb repeatedly did the same shit over and over.
He thinks he is special and can keep getting away with acting like a moron.
Aevann put a stop too it. tb didn't keep his word, why should capy?
trans lives matter too s*x perverts
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Not sure where you are getting this hate business except by conflating what happened with your imagined morality play.
Transb-word threatened him first in the midst of negotiations. At this point all bets are off since it has eliminated any good will in the negotiation whatsoever. Someone threatens to burn down my house unless I give them back the photo of the hairy balls they left in my window. At this point I'm perfectly in my rights to lie to them and find out where they left the can of gasoline, and in fact retaliate pretty fricking hard to keep my surrounding neighbors safe. Aevann was fairly restrained in justified responses, if anything.
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Threats are an acceptable form of negotiation though. All negotiations effectively boil down to the intersection of "What can I do for you?" and "What can I do to you?"
Like if I was an arms dealer who offered to sell a nuke or a bioweapon to the CIA it doesn't make me a terrorist to explain to them that if they don't come to an agreement with me, there are plenty of other interested buyers out there who might use it in a way that they don't like. The fact that this even needs to be explained to them is a problem with them, not me
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The key here is that “there are plenty of other interested buyers out there who might use it in a way that they don't like” against the other party.
Once you threaten the participant you're resorting to underhanded techniques, in which case lying is a perfectly acceptable countermeasure. It's only midwits who cry foul because instinctually they realize their lack of cleverness will put them at a disadvantage.
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Eh, it's a grey area
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but yes, true.
@Bookers stand with israel
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I dunno, SirScrote. I'm fine with lying to people I hate if my failure to upkeep my promise results in something very bad for them.
But I don't hate anyone, so I've no examples.
I view "price" as a better test of integrity for keeping promises. For example, the party making the promise has to pay some price: monetarily, such as holding money in escrow, contingent on some contract), or non-monetarily which would be something hard for someone to do, such a person with a long history of lying fulfills a promise. That would mean a lot more than someone who regularly keeps their promise. Obviously, the latter person would always be better to 'exchange' with.
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So would you say it's OK to rig elections in order to stop "the bad people" from winning?
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That's why they'd justify it, sure.
I'm thinking more "person v person" in the case of getting even with someone who [actually] has wronged you.
Fraud isn't that great at a systemic level.
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If something isn't great at a systemic level, then it's also bad at the individual level, and vice versa
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Israel
is an illegitimate state 
and has no rights 
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We don't negotiate with turrorists
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Avast, ye scurvy cur! Yer comment be walkin' the plank for forgettin' to include
trans lives matter! We be helpin' ye, right enough - we'll ne'er let ye post or comment anythin' that doesn't be expressin' yer love an' acceptance o' minorities! Heave to an' resubmit yer comment withtrans lives matterincluded, or it'll be the deep six for ye, savvy? This be an automated message; if ye need help, ye can message us 'ere. Arrr!Jump in the discussion.
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trans lives matter too autojanny
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It pains me to agree with a scrote, but I had a similar reaction. Ultimately, this was taking advantage of someone's trust/naivety
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Wrong, it was justly punishing someone who time and time again broke their promise to capy and endangered his entire business
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Both can be true. Aevann doesn't deserve to get a ton of shit for it, but still a little bit of shit. In any case, that's enough moralizing from me about how much better I would do everything
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Wrong, false, gay, and potentially of minority racial status
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Simp
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Literally
always have, sorry 
sweaty 
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We don't respect capy because he does what he says he'll do
We respect capy because he does what is right.
@A confirm
Trans lives matter
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I agree it would ideally be a good course of action to uphold the part about the pictures, just to be done with it. OTOH, especially if that happens, it's best for the ban to be kept in place. But ultimately, this shows why the spirit is more important than the letter. If you focus only on the latter, that can easily lead to tit-for-tat retaliation between parties, because it removes the expectation of anyone acting in good faith, which is the practical reason why promises in such situations are not upheld.
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You will never get to negotiations in good faith with an ideological adversary unless you first enter into negotiations in bad faith, ie, tit-for-tat retaliation. Over time, if both sides uphold the bad faith negotiations (as well as the tit for tat principle that is necessary for such negotiations to be binding) then it gradually builds trust, and eventually good faith negotiations can ensue.
But saying you won't ever enter into bad faith negotiations is stupid because it means that you will never have successful negotiations at all. After all, why should the other side have faith in you if you haven't earned it? Bad faith negotiations are literally the first step on the ladder to good faith negotiations. The fact that our government elites don't recognize this blatantly obvious fact is a sign of how incompetent and stupid they are. It's because we have morons like this in power that we have never managed to achieve lasting peace in the Middle East or with Russia.
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If a negotiation inherently leaves you worse off, without this being necessary, yes, it's not rational to enter into this bad faith negotiation completely. Anyway, as you said, my point is on the proportion of trust between parties. If trust is already broken in some way, the dynamic is different.
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some people aren't worth negotiating for. just turn the computer off.
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The capy changes his mind every 5 seconds.
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