helicopters at an airport in southern Ukraine (100km from the nearest frontline)
warning no drama, just combat news
Leaked by US officials
When Zelensky met with Biden he apparently promised to finally send ATACMS missiles. They denied it as a policy but the same day 3 different "anonymous sources" leaked it to NBC that they were coming.
another Biden W 
confirmed
Now less than a month later it was confirmed on CNN:
Airport strike
Losses = Reports are it was a mix of K-52s and MI- helicopters
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Hilarious reddit jokes
War is officially over now that Ukraine has a couple long range missiles. Even though helicopters and fighter jets have been almost non-existent in this war, offensives are basically impossible now:
STUPID RUSSIANS!! why would you store multiple helicopters at an airport 100km from the frontline instead of in some field?? Bunch of fricking amateurs:
ATACMS cluster munitions
Apparently it was the cluster variant circa 1996 (instead of the single large explosion variant)
Some RU telegram posted pictures of exploded MGM-140 submunition
https://x.com/RALee85/status/1714291525981786265
From wiki:
There is some skepticism but seems to be pretty much confirmed
In closing I love this Marsey, nice work @Igor_Konashenkov
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lol vatniks getting dunked
on by missiles from the last century
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First time use almost any missile will be successful because AD don't have Intel of that missile
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You heard 'em folks, we destroyed a $800 helicopter with a $1.5 billion missile
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It's crazy how flexible you can be with an economic victory a generation ago.
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With an economy that can stem 1000 missiles vs 100 Helis. Heck fricking yeah
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Russia moved most of its helicopters to avdiivka region like 3 weeks ago and Ukraine stopped pushing in south so that attack was just a show in the end
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miscels
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I'm sorry, but Israel is the [CURRENT THING] sweaty, please try to not be so antisemitic
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the newest Wunderwaffe will turn the tides!
it worked so well in 41, 42, 43 and 44!
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if marsey were a tank
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It looks cool
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Adam? More like Steve
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Can any militarycels answer, how viable is dispersal? Like if the US and China had a land war, would they both be scattering aircraft instead of using bases? Feels like that would be a massive pain in the butt to work with.
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It's definitely a strategy that works- Sweden in particular had immediate dispersal as their plan for a Russian invasion, and set up small facilities near highways to be used as ad-hoc airfields.
The US does the same, and has stretches of interstate planned for use in case of a strike on the US mainland.
In practice, Germany kept flying aircraft until the last days of WWII by shutting working squadrons around various small and improvised airfields despite constant allied strikes and fighter sweeps
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In practice those aircraft need to be refueled and repaired, the pilots need to be taken care of, sleep after their daily runs, and meet commanders. So dispersal in a war over a year plus long is going to get sloppy or become such a burden where the aircraft are becoming ineffective that there will be some sort of middle ground in between.
Tactics on paper vs real life
This was an airbase as far from the frontlines as Russia could get it absent Russia itself. I don't think it's particularly a major embarrassment but it will from now on push them further back or dispersed where they'll be less useful … or not, who knows
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That's the point. You can't run dispersed aircraft as part of a larger campaign for long, it's more to immediately preserve your resources in the face of an overwhelming strike and prevent the enemy from gaining air superiority. Ukraine did this pretty well last year, but they can't do much more than little harassment flights lobbing a few HARMs or launching cruise missiles.
Of course, Russia can't get air superiority either, so for both sides aviation is pretty useless. Ukraine goal here is just to push the helicopters further out so they can't spend as much time near targets or harassing the front lines
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So Ukraine still disperses them? I saw one kamikaze drone strike on an Ukraine aircraft and it seemed to be in a normal airport but I guess the idea is to constantly mix it up. They can break down too I guess
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The whole former Soviet Union is floating in decaying military infrastructure. They don't need to try too hard to find a runway they can fly jets out of
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Expressways should be able to handle them and both have thousands of kilometers of them but yeah I imagine logistics and maintenance would be near impossible for sustained combat ops.
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TFW you're trying to get to Park City and there's a frickin f15 holding up traffic on i80
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The missile knows where it is at all times to make sure you isn't in the location you currently is
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Anyway, 2 weeks blah blah, I wish someone would nuke either side.
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Russia made first move towards using nukes today by stepping out of agreement of testing nukes
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Bongs glowies saying that Russian planing to carpet bomb avdiivka in December so perhaps with atacms to nuke avdiivka. That's the most efficient way of get rid of that hole
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It's kinda r-slurred they used it after the fail of counteroffensive. Using right now gave Russia Intel about this weapon so next attack using it will be less successful so a random attack on helicopter field when Ukraine don't plant to launch or Russia from that direction is legit low IQ move
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lol whats RU going to do, Not have train stations and logistics hubs? Move all their rear operations into underground bunkers? Move helicopters even further away from the frontline?
I don't get it. What exactly would Ukraine wait for that's 100-300km away from the frontline that HIMARs can't already hit?
That airport 100% already had air defences looking for Storm Shadows…which they also fail to shoot down. if they can't hit a slow moving cruise missile, they probably won't have much success against what amounts to a ballistic missile. Besides they had a full month since ATACMS news got leaked
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Russia going to continue grinding Ukraine.
My point was now this attack has no point and only gave Russian opportunity to prepare better, and yes shadow storm did a lot and that's why we didn't heard about it for like a month now or why we don't hear about regular himars anymore. Those atacms aint as mass produced as regular one so they won't be able to shoot 1000 of those on single logistic point.
So using those now on object that is not important right now gives Ukraine nothing, their plan now is to cross that Kherson river, they won't fight those helicopters from that location, if they shot crimea it would make sense but what they did is gave Russian Intel about ATACMS
Or are you from that crowd that think that using a lot of those won't push Russian to adopt shooting them down ?
Russia also Russia stepped out of agreement about testing nukes and they have now 0 fear of using those since last year west was telling Russia they will give Ukraine ATACMS, Jets and Tank if Russia uses nukes. So what will hold them now back ?
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Lol this was the standard Russian cope line they used all through August, that ukraine has none left, then their Crimean HQ gets hit by 2 of them
Wtf are you talking about there's multiple new videos of HIMARS strikes every week on Twitter?
Again what can Russia do now that they know it's operational? You haven't given me one example that changes anything.
they still need to run logistics, house troops, and run operations in the rear. If they adapt by moving aircraft further away it's still a win for ukraine and regardless aircraft are the least important thing in this war
We were told HIMARS would stop being effective after 6 months when the software updates wirh radar signatures gets widely deployed and that never happened either
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Himars attack stopped hitting important targets they are used now to attack artillery not far away from front. Last big himars attack was in January when they hit a military academy.
You know it's kinda impressive that Crimea HQ is over the attack on submarine. That Crimea HQ was just a symbolic move to get attention back. They even told some admiral died during it for him to spawn in 2 days.
Those building ain't really used during wars. But I guess since you still remember it Ukraine successfully used it symbolical.
It's not Kherson, they have a lot more way to run logistics, but khohols fall in love with himars and they legit believe a longer range himars would have same effect not understanding that Kherson offensive was a failure, goal was never to just capture the city but defeat Russian soldiers that have problems with logistic and not let them live so they latter pawned them during their spring counteroffensive.
My point is khohols used the surprise move very badly even khohols popular bloggers don't talk about atacms and the damage they did minimal with it. They want to cross that Kherson river to show west they still can win so why bomb some far away village if it ain't help them crossing the river and now Russian know khohols have atacms, they know it's cluster atacms, have it's radar signature and etc.
But writing it I remembered this
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics/russia-jamming-himars-rockets-ukraine/index.html
That village probably didn't had himars countermeasures like Crimea or Donbas
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Russia win in two more weeks
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Hi Mars!
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I can't follow this anymore. I wish we could go back to the days when they were sending JLaw over there to give them all MANPONS.
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It's the weapon Ukraine has been incessantly whining about not getting since the early days of the war and what Redditors have been foaming at the mouth over. US didn't send them initially because they have the range to hit deep into Russia and they dont trust dirty Ukrainian Slavs and muh nuke threat
It's just a large ballistic missile fired from the same vehicles as HIMARS MLRS, which usually fires smaller guided missiles, but with 3-4x the range. Russia has similar ones called Iskander which they rarely fire anymore cuz they used a large part of the stockpile early on. And Ukraine had a small amount of shitty old unguided Soviet ballistic missiles called Tochka which they also burned through early. But unlike that one this is GPS/INS guided making it very deadly.
It's going to help frick with RU logistics and rear command centers
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Snapshots:
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https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-will-send-ukraine-atacms-long-range-missiles-biden-tells-zelenskiy-nbc-2023-09-22:
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/17/politics/us-ukraine-long-range-atacm-missiles/index.html:
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https://old.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/179xyk6/video_showing_some_of_the_aftermath_from_last:
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https://x.com/RALee85/status/1714291525981786265:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-140_ATACMS:
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some skepticism:
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