Haven't seen this mentioned here yet, but for any of you r-slurs actually r-slurred enough to be considering investing in the shitshow that is called Reddit considered yourself forewarned. Also, this is a great example of how much of a loser Spez and the exec leadership of Reddit are considering Reddit clone sites like The Chive, even Digg and (hopefully) rDrama and WPD can operate at a net profit with far less employees than what Reddit does. A great example is The Chive which was profitable after 2-3 years (estimated $20 million in revenues and approx 6 employees).
In contrast, after 20 years, Reddit is not only not profitable but they continue to post yearly loses in the tens to hundreds of millions of dollars a year. In fact, the article points out, that these loses translate to "....$232,432.87 a day, or nearly $9,685 an hour [in loses]."
So, Reddit finally filed for an IPO. After nearly 20 years, starting on its own, being acquired by Condé Nast Publications in 2006, spun out in 2011.
Having a long gestation as a private company getting investment dollars isn't unusual today. For a number of years now, the trend has been to see increasingly long years of waiting to seek an exit so investors can allow the company to develop. To strengthen. To build a capability of making money.
Which makes Reddit's filing — its S-1 using technical terms — so interesting is that it's taken so long to still be losing money by the truckful. That's $232,432.87 a day, or nearly $9,685 an hour.
Maybe this has something to do why Condé Nast's parent, Advance Publications, waved goodbye to Reddit so many years ago.
The company calls itself an “emerging growth company” by the definition of the JOBS Act, and will continue to be until any one of the three following conditions happens: their revenue at least equals $1.235 billion; they reach the last day of the fiscal year following the fifth anniversary of the IPO offering; they reach the date on which during a previous three-year period in which they issue more than $1 billion in non-convertible debt; or, under the Exchange Act, they're deemed a “large accelerated filer.”
There are 54 pages of risk factors, which, after reading many S-1 filings over the years, seems pretty long. One of the most notable is the sentence, “We have incurred substantial losses during our history and may never achieve profitability.”
There are companies that have said that in the past, but they were much younger. AmazonAMZN +1% has a reputation of being unprofitable for a very long time, but in the last quarter of 2001, it had its first profitable quarter. That was about seven years after the company started running out of the garage of Jeff Bezos.
After two decades, Reddit still warns that it's not making money. Losses can eventually be useful for companies when they can carry them forward and finally offset profits, but the profits do have to come. At the end of 2023, the company has $216.7 million in federal and $177.1 million of state net operating losses (NOLs) to carry. The state ones are gone in 2026 if there aren't profits to apply them to. Federal NOLs through 2017 can only be carried for 20 years to fully offset taxable income. After 2017, due to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, they can be carried indefinitely to offset only 80% of taxable income annually. So, the losses at this point are theoretically helpful, but practically? Who knows?
In 2023, the company's revenue was $804.0 million. Research and development, at $438.3 million, was more than half, an awfully big number for a company of this age. Total costs and expenses were $944.2 million. The net loss was $90.8 million, which at least is an improvement over 2022, with its $666.7 million in revenue and $158.6 million in losses.
Reddit favors non-standard accounting metrics like adjusted EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization). The adjusted part include “stock-based compensation expense and related taxes, other (income) expense, net, and certain other non-recurring or non-cash items impacting net income (loss) that we do not consider indicative of our ongoing business performance.” Which makes it tough to know exactly what's being included or excluded.
The adjusted EBITDA in 2023 was still -$69.3 million.
And they like free cash flow as a “liquidity measure.” Free cash flow in 2023 was -$84.8 million. In 2022, it was -$100.3 million.
On top of that, Reddit is going the dual stock class approach, where Class A is the ordinary stock with one vote per share, Class B getting 10 votes per share, and Class C, no votes. This is the type of structure designed to let a small group continue to control the company no matter what. The public argument is that they will keep doing the right thing for the company. In practice, that has meant lots of losses.
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I want the IPO to tank so hard. Imagine the jannies with $800 of class C shares thinking they are going to cash in losing it all, while the ugly guy continues to pull $10 million a year while being pegged by his ape-ette.
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I hope Elon Musk ends up buying reddit for pennies.
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Buy Imgr too and make reddit its image host.
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Elon collecting all the shitty social media sites
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That would be the rdrama event of the century.
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✓ Remove awards
✓ Remove the cryptocurrency and NFT snoos
✓ Remove API access
✓ Hired expensive consultancy firms in Garland, Texas
✓ Further enshittification of the front end and mobile app
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Record is 1 days 13 hours 09 minutes and 59 seconds by TheDunceonFlorist
Wow! There have been 15484 rent free mentions since 2022-09-24
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Welcome back
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Bussyfinn is so humble that xhe still lives at home with xher mother
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They must have a real connection
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Bot ist gebrokken
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"this is a strange line item- it makes mention of 2600 consultant hours billed to a 'BARD Consulting Group' in Garland, Texas, but we can't find any record of such a company existing, and the amount is $0.00. That seems unusual, can you provide the auditors more documentation? Surely you paid this firm something, correct?"
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Subject matter expertise for free? Do you have any idea how much that's worth???
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Fricking every time i work with an actual subject matter expert i think of him saying that and lol.
Just unreal he called himself that. Every SME gets paid fricking bank, he does it for free.
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enshitification vs goyslopification
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Ngl the “enhancements” of this site have either made the functionality better or made me laugh when it became intentionally shitty. I love to pet this stupid fricking cat and move around the spider. Reddit has showed me the “YOU ARE BANNED” notification for 2+ years with nothing else lol
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The marsey cursor is unironically very cute and a good addition to the site
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Why did they shutdown the award cash cow? After so many subs got banned and since I can't use rif I almost never use le reddits. Still good for engineering and tech stuff, though.
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i dont understand that either...it was making them money for like no cost to them, right? why shut it down?
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R&D expenses look much better to investors in this situation than operating expenses. I suspect this fact influenced how they assigned expenses.
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It never fails to amuse me how much "technically not a scam" goes on in the finance world that everyone is either totally ignorant of or cool with because regulators say it's fine.
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To be fair, for companies whose product is a website there's almost always going to be a huge chunk of stuff which there's no practical way to partition between R&D and operations. Reddit probably isn't even doing anything remotely out of the ordinary...it's just looks particularly egregious as they've done such a horrifically bad job of product improvement over the last several years.
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I bet they're trying to make AI jannies.
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Wouldn't an AI make an infinitely better jannie anyway?
We need trans hedgehogs! Trans hedgehogs belong here! We love trans hedgehogs!
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AI cant groom kids on groomercord... yet.
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Probably the shitty block chain that they dropped.
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It's 30 diversity hires and 5 devs, accomplishing the work of 5 fulltime devs
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Classifying things as R&D to make the shit sandwich look better
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Reddit
researching how to make the site design even shittier.
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Software companies mark everything as research and development, even if it's the most bog standard crap imaginable.
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Massive L all around. Will be especially funny when WSB shorts the IPO. Even knowing frick all about reddits behind the scenes bullshit, theres no reason to invest in a site that is universally despised by its users and has been progressively seen as worse in quality year after year. It speaks volumes that the actual users of the site are shorting it, betting against it ever succeeding.
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RDramas final chapter should be an ICO in famously business-friendly Egyptian market, with a peak valuation exceeding the GDP of Earth, followed by a rugpull
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Imagine every user of this site going to jail for fraud after the capy gives us shares valued at $10,000,000,000 each
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rDrama McAfee-style boat adventure through the Bahamas fleeing the IRS sounds pretty fun
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What will your role be on the rdrama refugee boat?
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Corrective male feminist of dramaredditors
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coal miner
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Heavy weapons/purser who dispenses the rum ration
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Tarot card reader
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I'm trying to find the archive of his election campaign site while is was sailing around. It was actually pretty cool. Some dude had an eyepatch. Very black. Vague but hard to remember.
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Its Egypt, better do a magic carpet pull
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Well said, but using the term ‘it speaks volumes' speaks volumes about how gay you are
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Better a cute twink than a straggot
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Le epic sub will totally short reddits stock and win teh day just like when avengers mods thanos snaped Spez (frick /u/spez LMAO EPIC) after he got rid of 3rd party apps.
God this place is the exact same as reddit disucssing this ipo.
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I never said anything about it being successful, I simply said its funny and doesnt invoke confidence for other investors.
Given you cant read and talk to schizophrenic ghostposters, I'm not surprised you think that
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You said this right after quoting something I didnt say.
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Pottery
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You took issue with my paraphrasing you fricktard
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Are we the r-slurs?
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I think that's what, at the current head in the clouds valuation, his remaining share of the company translates to in stocks. He's one of the co-founders, so that's not surprising.
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$200 million is TC, a vast majority of which is Reddit shares that are way overvalued
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Overvalued? Reddit will be more valuable to than facebook, google and amazon combined by 2030. You'd be an idiot not to buy
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It will be purchased by some government aligned/affiliated agency to keep the narrative. They dropped the ball with Twitter.
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Sure we work for him day in and day out for free but the multi-millionaire is the real loser here
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