!pnw this is the only time I'll ever ping you with information that's actually useful in real life.
The Albertsons-Safeway merger was a fricking farce. It was obvious to everyone that when they sold the stores to Haggen, that was supposed to be their competitor, that it was a scam. They gave up all the stores they were losing money on to Haggen to be the "competition". Everyone knew that Haggen was about to go bankrupt already. And then, shockingly, it goes bankrupt. A lot of stores get shut down and everyone is fired and some of these places are still vacant to this day like it's goddarn Detroit.
I am still mad about this. I would go as far as to say that this pissed me off more than the ending of Mass Effect 3.
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I mean... what is either company suppose to do when a judge tells you you can't sell something, and then the FTC is going give its r-slurred decision?
And what better way to increase competition and stop the imaginary violation of consumer-protection laws by causing the company to go bankrupt.
Again, government did this because being competitive against larger companies is bad for consumers.
Government is r-slurred.
I can't believe Kroger didn't want to bend the knee to government's r-slurred demands. It's all Kroger's fault!!!
And you got to deal with multiple r-slurred governments.
Isn't that grand?
They're killing their employer because of their greed. What a bunch of parasites.
!neolibs, come gawk at the r-sluration of US merger law.
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You're claiming that yet another merger, which would make every grocery store in Oregon be owned by one company, would help competition?
That's not how a free market works, dipshit. You can't just form a cartel that completely dominates one industry for no reason and then call yourself a libertarian. I don't care how many children you've molested, it doesn't make any sense. If this is legal with grocery stores then gas stations, steel mills, airlines, phone companies can do it too. They'll all turn into a cartel because that's how they can make the most money off us. You know how I know?
I'll give you some time to think because this is like your first year economics professor throwing you a softball.
Because that's what the 1970s was.
!neolibs one of your tards wandered off from his pen.
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Good morning!
Begging the question.
A merger would seem to be better, but we'll never know because government is r-slurred. If you read the article, it mentions Kroger's selling off a division of its assets to C&S (?) or it's C&S to local grocers, so there's not going to be a monopoly.
There also never would have been such a monopoly:
Walmarts:
Costco:
And there's Amazon which is available to anyone with an internet connection.
And even if WinCo, your local Co-Op, some small family business, Fred Meyer's, and blah blah blah are all owned by one business, it doesn't make sense for it to place them all in the same quality, targeting the same customer. They'd compete against themselves and lose money. It's why stores differentiate their products.
That's why you have Fred Meyer's, which is owned by Kroger's, still operating and competing against Krogers in the same neighborhoods.
Magically, yes if a monopoly could be maintained, prices would be higher, but:
There is no cartel. You'd need state-mandated force to enforce price controls set by businesses as well as keeping competitors out. Please explain how this cartel without government backing would work. Please. I'd love to hear it because I've heard this silly argument a thousand times from undergrads.
Are you sure? How does one attain monopoly pricing in a competitive market?
Remember your cost curves from economics? You're suggesting that buying up all the competition (thus placing themselves farther right on the AC and MC cost curves) would be most profitable.
But then, how does a company do that in a competitive market?
What happens when they keep expanding costs in order to buy out other companies ?
It's basic economics, Redactor.
!neolibs, me and Redactor are arguing about mergers! He, the communist, opposes the merger because he's a communist.
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So first of all, this alone demonstrates that you're r-slurred. Literally what the frick are you talking about? The only store they own that isn't Fred Meyer is that QFC in Bethany where they charge a little bit more because the customers are Intel sexy Indian dudes who don't know what a dollar is worth. The only competitors are the Albertsons and Safeway in the next neighborhood. If you're talking about the east side then you're admitting you're worthless trash so I win the argument anyway.
So second of all:
Suck my balls, r-slur. I've been buying from these stores since before you were born.
Oh yeah third of all:
Once again, it is absolutely fricking ludicrous that Winco and Costco are in the same market as Fred Meyer, Albertsons, and Safeway. Anyone who claims this is being disingenuous. This is not hyperbole: Anyone who make that argument is not obviously mistaken, they're lying and they know it.
!neolibs If this is the best you can you do, you need to add to the brain trust.
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Oh gee jolly, two neighborhoods allegedly have three out of four grocery stores that could become a "monopoly" would ravage everyone with skyhigh prices that nobody could do anything about like sell the same stuff at a lower price.
It's a nice (narrow) example, but you've still got too many holes in your position. I guess you'll go down with your ship.
I didn't say they were. It's an example as to why they're not and how that counters your point about monopoly. Try reading a little slower next time...
!pnw !anticommunists, why are there so many commies in Oregon?
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Last time I went to Astoria, Oregon I saw more pride/trans flags than I saw U.S. flags
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Are they all cute twinkted up down there now? It's been a while since I've been there. If you're going to the beach you go farther south and if you're going to Seattle you take a completely different route so we don't actually go through there much. In my boomer times I don't think it was some kind of tourist destination. More involved in dairy (@X in Singapore eats Tillamook ice cream from cows there) and timber. To the point where the classic 1987 romcom Overboard, featuring Kurt Russel as a rural white trash lout, was filmed there.
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1000% twinked up. Went there to go salmon fishing and there was a weird dichotomy between the fishermen and the twinks
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I would ask how that works, but it's probably some artstrag logic that I would never comprehend.
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Tillamook rocks
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It does. There's not many products where I'll buy the more expensive brand but that's one where I do. It really is worth it.
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!anticommunists !r-slurs
communism will win
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Is that you?
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Yeah, "I'm gonna stop by the grocery store on my way home from work to get stuff for dinner tonight" and "I'm gonna go to Costco on a Saturday afternoon and buy huge amounts of stuff in bulk if we see a good deal" are really close substitutes for each other.
The barriers to entry setting up a whole new chain of grocery stores in 2024 are way too high. Breaking the monopoly would require some foreign company (Aldi, Tesco, Carrefour, I dunno) to decide that the Pacific Northwest USA market was lucrative enough for them to risk a lot of money going into it. And there would be a billion regulatory challenges as your "free market" grocery store cartel lobbied the government to cockblock them.
Maybe I'm forgetting something but as far as I can tell, this would put all grocery stores in Oregon under one company. Unless you (as you have been) twist the definition of "grocery store" to include every place that's ever sold food, like a fricking Taco Bell.
There was a huge increase in prices after the Albertsons-Safeway merger. I'm not speculating here, this is empirical. This happened. I don't give a shit what your krauts in ivory towers are imagining, I know what really happened in real life. There were not a bunch of competitors who came into the market.
I got something for you to go down on, b-word.
I'm not the one who wants to set up one chain of grocery stores for the entire country like we're in goddarn Soviet Russia. You show up and maybe they'll have potatoes or bread or rice, but not more than one. Why? Because frick 'em, that's why! You got a monopoly so you don't have to let the customers choose what they want for dinner. You just need to sell them enough to keep them alive.
!anticommunists I've seen some dumbass red agitators in my life but never one so stupid he didn't even know what he was.
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I went to Costco the other day for 2 dozen eggs and a slice of pizza
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Buying in bulk.
I am really tempted to go there just to eat the pizza though. That's clearly something they lose money on just to make you happy.
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Lack of sun makes you r-slurred.
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Vancouver's bootlicking cousins
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Hey sexy, why are you posting so quickly? 😊 You almost forgot to include
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!anticommunists !r-slurs
communism will win
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omg hi @kaamrev!!! okay so this is like super awkward omg but basically i had to remove ur comment bc u didnt say
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!metashit, @Redactor0 is stunned by my economics so hard that he can't even reply.
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It's not my job to educate you quickly.
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Eat my downmarsey.
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Phone carriers are already a cartel r-slur
Steel cartel fell off (even today it might be a cartel) only because most of it was outsourced to China. (Steel production in USA in the last 50 years has fallen by over 30%)
Airlines have been fined like 2 B dollars for cartel like behavior. https://www.aircargonews.net/airlines/us-cartel-case-settlements-break-the-1bn-mark/
Aircraft manufactures are worse than cartel with an oligopoly between Boeing and Airbus
tl;dr Take your meds
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Okay. I stopped right there. What was the phone company in the 1970s? It was...
...the phone company. Because that's what people called AT&T then. Because they had a monopoly because of exactly what I was talking about. That was the main point of the post and it flew right over your head.
You don't even know about about AT&T and you're talking about antitrust law?
Literally, that wow_mao video where the Serbian guy tells Americans they're bad at dealing drugs and say "call me when you graduate".
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What is your point? AT&T was first to the market, so they were a monopoly? IBM was first in the computing space so they were a monopoly? That's how it's supposed to work r-slur
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You're not even an r-slur, you are... God forbid...
...a troll.
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Take that back.
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When I worked under UFCW they repeatedly forgot which union janny represented us and wouldn't visit for months and then roll up like "yo what's up - I guess I'm assigned here"
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